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Old 04-11-2017, 08:07 PM
 
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I've noticed my grandmother often calls Park Avenue "Fourth Avenue". Then today I saw this on 23rd and Park. I know "Sixth Avenue" is also known as "Avenue of the Americas". Is Park Avenue AKA Fourth Avenue?

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Old 04-11-2017, 08:42 PM
 
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Yes, technically Park Avenue is "Fourth Avenue"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Avenue


4th AVENUE, Manhattan - Forgotten New York


Why Is There No 4th Ave in Manhattan? | The Huffington Post


While we're at it; CPW is Eighth Avenue.


Adam Clayton Blvd is Seventh Avenue


Sutton Place is Avenue A


The one block north of Sutton Place at East 59th and everything north above that is York Avenue, but really again Avenue A.


And so it goes..
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Old 04-12-2017, 06:21 AM
 
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There actually IS still a "Fourth Avenue." It runs slightly diagonal roughly from a bit South of Astor Place to Union Square.
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Old 04-12-2017, 06:42 AM
 
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Yes, technically Park Avenue is "Fourth Avenue"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Avenue


4th AVENUE, Manhattan - Forgotten New York


Why Is There No 4th Ave in Manhattan? | The Huffington Post


While we're at it; CPW is Eighth Avenue.


Adam Clayton Blvd is Seventh Avenue


Sutton Place is Avenue A


The one block north of Sutton Place at East 59th and everything north above that is York Avenue, but really again Avenue A.


And so it goes..
So,why isn't Lexington Avenue Fourth Avenue? Southern terminus too far North to have been considered in the numbering plan? Always wonder about this since it sits between Third and Fourth. That of course would make Park Avenue 5th Avenue ,Madison Avenue 6th Avenue and 5th Avenue 7th Avenue,etc.
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Old 04-12-2017, 06:44 AM
 
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So,why isn't Lexington Avenue Fourth Avenue ? Southern terminus too far North to have been considered in the numbering plan ? Always wonder about this since it sits between Third and Fourth. That of course would make Park Avenue 5th Avenue ,Madison Avenue 6th Avenue and 5th Avenue 7th Avenue,etc.
Lex is too close to 3rd. Lexington is more like "3 and a half avenue". Park is 4th, madison is 4 and a half.
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Old 04-12-2017, 06:49 AM
 
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So,why isn't Lexington Avenue Fourth Avenue ?

It's a matter of distance. Park Avenue is halfway between Third and Fifth Avenues. Lexington and Madison are "half blocks."


When I figure my walking distances I count street blocks (like 90th, 91st) as one block and each proper avenue as 3 blocks. Lex and Madison are 1.5 blocks. Then I total them all and divide by 20 to get the miles walked.
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Old 04-12-2017, 06:57 AM
 
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So,why isn't Lexington Avenue Fourth Avenue ?

It's a matter of distance. Park Avenue is halfway between Third and Fifth Avenues. Lexington and Madison are "half blocks."


When I figure my walking distances I count street blocks (like 90th, 91st) as one block and each proper avenue as 3 blocks. Lex and Madison are 1.5 blocks. Then I total them all and divide by 20 to get the miles walked.
Oh,ok, that makes perfect sense... that they would name avenues according to distance between avenues.

While we are at it, is the distance between North/South avenues on the UES ...like in the 80's and 90's... greater than further downtown or is that just some kind of illusion ? Some of those stretches feel like 4 or 5 blocks not 3

I know you live up there ...want you to get out your tape measure.
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Old 04-12-2017, 07:14 AM
 
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I don't know anyone besides my grandmother who calls "Park Avenue" as "Fourth Avenue". Is it just an old fashioned thing that has fallen out of favor? Maybe because everyone prefers the prestige of "Park Avenue"? I know everyone calls it 4th Avenue between Cooper Union and Union Square. But not above Union Square.
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Old 04-12-2017, 07:15 AM
 
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Oh,ok, that makes perfect sense... that they would name avenues according to distance between avenues.

While we are at it, is the distance between North/South avenues on the UES ...like in the 80's and 90's... greater than further downtown or is that just some kind of illusion ? Some of those stretches feel like 4 or 5 blocks not 3

It is indeed an illusion, BlueDog.
What interblock distance seems unduly long to you? For me it is always the LAST ones.
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Old 04-12-2017, 07:19 AM
 
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It is indeed an illusion, BlueDog.
What interblock distance seems unduly long to you? For me it is always the LAST ones.
The distance between 5th and 6th seems ridiculously long.
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