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So your saying that the Poconos is "full of crime" is really code for "full of minorities". From the first article:
"Like Brown, many here are part of a black and Latino migration from metro New York City that in the last decade tripled the ratio of minorities in Monroe County, Pennsylvania, near the Delaware Water Gap. As a result, the Stroudsburg area–almost lily white a generation ago–now boasts braiding salons, a Caribbean restaurant, and other amenities that once would have taken a trip to Harlem to find. The clientele are New York City municipal workers such as cops and transit workers, along with private-industry employees, who moved to the mountains looking for peace and quiet and big, cheap houses."
yes. in the same manner that your populists label is racist code for caucasian people.
A couple of points that need to be specified here. First, eminent domain would only be use for the infrastructure. There are already rail rights of way on both sides of the Hudson, so these would be used. Not need to take land for this. And there are already stations that could be used (Poughkeepsie, Hudson). They may need expansion. So maybe some land might be needed for that. But that isn't too big.
If the MTA wanted to build east/west light rail lines (and that might well out into the future), they'd need rights of way That would be a very legitimate use of eminent domain.
But the vast majority of the land use would be for housing development. That would be private. Developers would buy out the farms (as they have for decades), and build housing developments. So no eminent domain would be used for that. The state or county might have to override local land use rule (or pressure the local governments to change them) to facilitate the change from agricultural to suburban density residential use.
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Originally Posted by BugsyPal
Eminent domain is not exactly cheap, even for the MTA. Case in point the recent SAS construction where the MTA found out how expensive it was to move obtain property and or move people out of it.
If you recall early plans had a station on the southwest corner of 86th and Second (that red brick building where Gothic Cabinets once was ground floor retail). Well those plans were scrapped largely due to costs of acquiring the property and moving tenants (residential out).
Contrary to popular belief eminent domain is not a always a cheap land grab. The USC is still in effect and those owning affected property are entitled to just compensation. Given land values today even with ED obtaining things isn't exactly cheap.
*You* might consider property (empty farmland), but you don't own it do you? Stop being a bit so free in giving away other peoples property.
MTA is already drowning in debt, and seriously cannot afford to continue forever "floating bonds". Forget the exact number but a large share of current MTA budget already goes to servicing debt. That number will continue to grow in future years as more and more debt becomes due.
yes. in the same manner that your populists label is racist code for caucasian people.
Lol! I didnt say it was racist. I said it was code. The racist part came from your own words. Didnt you first say "Christian"? How did that morph now to caucasian?
Power commuter from the Poconos here. (Bronx born and raised) I drive to/from the Bronx, 125 miles each way. Same commute time as people coming from lower Manhattan some days. I don't mind it as I find the trade offs worth it.
When I don't want to do the long ride at the end of a long day I crash at my parents' house. I don't have children so it makes it more sustainable for me.
If you go to the NEPA forum there's a long thread about the commuter train extension. Not likely to happen anytime soon due to expense of very old and unused rail lines on the Poconos side requiring a huge overhaul at monumental expense.
Power commuter from the Poconos here. (Bronx born and raised) I drive to/from the Bronx, 125 miles each way. Same commute time as people coming from lower Manhattan some days. I don't mind it as I find the trade offs worth it.
When I don't want to do the long ride at the end of a long day I crash at my parents' house. I don't have children so it makes it more sustainable for me.
If you go to the NEPA forum there's a long thread about the commuter train extension. Not likely to happen anytime soon due to expense of very old and unused rail lines on the Poconos side requiring a huge overhaul at monumental expense.
Thing is besides the huge expense, for many reasons train travel between Stroudsburg, PA and NYC actually takes longer than driving. That is one of the reasons passenger travel between the two places via train began collapsing post WWII.
Hell, I have deer in my back yard too, and I'm doing half the commute even during Summer of Hell. No bald eagles but would you accept a bunch of buzzards? Only 1/3 acre but at least I get to see it now and then.
We got deer, rabbits, woodchucks, ospreys, chipmunks and red-tailed hawks. A 35 min ride from 42nd st (Grand Central). Sorta amazing actually.
So your saying that the Poconos is "full of crime" is really code for "full of minorities". From the first article:
"Like Brown, many here are part of a black and Latino migration from metro New York City that in the last decade tripled the ratio of minorities in Monroe County, Pennsylvania, near the Delaware Water Gap. As a result, the Stroudsburg area–almost lily white a generation ago–now boasts braiding salons, a Caribbean restaurant, and other amenities that once would have taken a trip to Harlem to find. The clientele are New York City municipal workers such as cops and transit workers, along with private-industry employees, who moved to the mountains looking for peace and quiet and big, cheap houses."
I am not saying that. The writer of the article may or may not be giving that impression but it says the area is filled with crime.
Relax, I'm not the sort of person who thinks race makes us criminal. Trust me when I tell you, I have lived in the Midwest (not my choice but my ex husbands) - albeit not for a long time, and have seen white trash meth heads in the making. Undesirable neighborhoods come in all colors! Believe me when I tell you.
There are many folks that work in NYC but live in VA, MD, or CO and visits NYC main office maybe once a month.
$250k buys a lot of house elsewhere while collecting a NYC salary.
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