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The share of black New Yorkers among all New Yorkers has been slowly shrinking for decades for a whole host of reasons, and the shrinkage of the West Indian community, presumably, would reflect that. According to the census we were 28.7% of the city in 1990 and 25.5% of the population in 2010. Presumably that number is even lower now.
The non Hispanic black population is now estimated at 23%.
NYC's black population is changing and so many blacks are now blended African American/Caribbean. People with dual cultural identities. Its not like 30 years ago when West Indians "disappeared" into the black American population.
The African population is increasing, this slowing the decline somewhat. A high % of the black college students are of Nigerian/Ghanaian stock. How that will affect black NYC will be seen.
But NYC is now unique in the USA in that not one ethnic black group, not even black Americans, dominates.
And yes the Caribbean born population is shrinking, but its influence in transforming black NYC hasn't. The black American population is shrinking even faster and it will not long be the day when it will be hard to find blacks in NYC who will not claim a parent or grand parent from the Caribbean or Africa. I think that "southern" origin black culture is disappearing. Its really hard to find soul food restaurants now.
Even early hip hop had Caribbean influences and the current twerking is Caribbean in origin. That "truck horn" that the DJs play......Caribbean influence. Break dancing was straight up Afro Cuban in origins.
interesting news about Guyanese, but most I would say probably 85% of the Guyanese living in Queens are East Indians and I am not sure how they identify themselves on a census.
The focus is on Queens but Guyanese of all ethnic origins immigrate the same way. The NYC Guyanese population breaks down into 60% Indian and 40% African. The Afro Guyanese live with other Caribbean blacks so are less visible than are Indo Guyanese.
Atlanta is getting a lot of transplant, particularly black, and that includes Caribbean New Yorkers. Florida will continue to be the number one destination for Caribbean immigrants. New York's COL is just too high.
This is true of the middle class Caribbean population. They are moving and a more working class segment is replacing them.
Even though the COL in NYC is high jobs are easier to get and its hard for unskilled immigrants to find work in places like ATL and FL. In the Miami are the low skilled jobs go to the Hispanics with some Haitians getting a crumb or too. Not good for English speaking Caribbean people if they are low skilled.
So yes many will have to remain in NYC even if living one family to a room!
.You're offbase by making a general statement about Caribbean blacks don't get along with African Americans; that is simply not true.
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People like to make trouble. There are tensions between Caribbean and American blacks but this is a sibling squabble. Scratch black people and both will join forces and go on attack.
Not its not. It has bad spots on White Plains Rd and around Edenwald projects. Its largely consists of hardworking home owning people, who are glad that its miles away as they pity the homeowners in gentrifying areas who can no longer afford the property taxes and so are forced to sell.
Most of the Bronx is a pain to reach and those areas are no different, but do agree that Metro North and express buses help. However, those Metro North stops tend to be out of the way. The 2 and 5 may be *right there* but they can crawl in the Bronx and any so called *express* service can become local before you know it, not to mention the stairs! Those stations seem so high up. Stairway to Heaven.
This part of the Bronx will never gentrify. It might absorb refugees from gentrification elsewhere. One might as well move to Westchester as the commute to Manhattan is actually faster.
interesting news about Guyanese, but most I would say probably 85% of the Guyanese living in Queens are East Indians and I am not sure how they identify themselves on a census.
Good question? I really don't know. Guyanese are weird set of people to classify. For one Guyana is located in South America and is located in the Amazon region, yet its people call themselves Caribbean and West Indian even though it located 500 miles away from that geographic region. However it is tied to the Caribbean region thanks to Bajan and St Lucian immigration in the late 19th and early 20th century when Guyana had some of the best wages in the British Empire, if not maybe the world at that time. I know Afro Guyanese in America will check off black, but not sure if Indian Guyanese will classify themselves as Indian. Same goes for indigenous Guyanese living in America if they call themselves Native Americans? As for me, I classify myself as other due to being a mulatto with sprinkles of Amerindian and Indian DNA.
Good question? I really don't know. Guyanese are weird set of people to classify. For one Guyana is located in South America and is located in the Amazon region, .A.
Barbadians call themselves Caribbean even though they are an Atlantic island located 100 miles from the Caribbean Sea. Trinidad is a South American island, in fact closer to Venezuela than it is to Tobago. Yet they call themselves Caribbean.
So Guyana, which is so close to Trinidad that one can see its lights on a clear night from the most north eastern part of Guyana, and certainly the haze created in the sky from lights in Trinidad on most nights, can call itself Caribbean.
Put a Guyanese in a crowd with Caribbean people and once cannot tell the difference. Put them among Peruvians and its like a Swede among Nigerians.
Barbadians call themselves Caribbean even though they are an Atlantic island located 100 miles from the Caribbean Sea. Trinidad is a South American island, in fact closer to Venezuela than it is to Tobago. Yet they call themselves Caribbean.
So Guyana, which is so close to Trinidad that one can see its lights on a clear night from the most north eastern part of Guyana, and certainly the haze created in the sky from lights in Trinidad on most nights, can call itself Caribbean.
Put a Guyanese in a crowd with Caribbean people and once cannot tell the difference. Put them among Peruvians and its like a Swede among Nigerians.
Venezuela is close to Trinidad in geography . One can't see Trinidad over the horizon from Guyana. If that's the case, I'll go to South Florida and see if I can see Cuba. Guyana is far from Trinidad. You can't see Trinidad from Guyana. You must be smoking some Bob Marley Crack. Or probably have super duper vision to see a bulbs of another country 200 miles away. This statement is more crazy than statements made by NyWriterdude.
Guyana has all sorts of people. Everyone k knows Guyana as Indian and black, but you also forgot native Amerindian. I have native Amerindian in my family who are mistaken as Mexican at times, yet be are shocked to know that they were Guyanese. Most of the blacks in Guyana are goign back to the west indies, while Indians are leaving for the states, Canada and Trinidad. The native Amerindian population saw the biggest growth in Guyana, while black and Indian declined sharply. It looks like Guyana is on its way of being native looking by the end of thr 21st century.
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Barbadians call themselves Caribbean even though they are an Atlantic island located 100 miles from the Caribbean Sea. Trinidad is a South American island, in fact closer to Venezuela than it is to Tobago. Yet they call themselves Caribbean.
So Guyana, which is so close to Trinidad that one can see its lights on a clear night from the most north eastern part of Guyana, and certainly the haze created in the sky from lights in Trinidad on most nights, can call itself Caribbean.
Put a Guyanese in a crowd with Caribbean people and once cannot tell the difference. Put them among Peruvians and its like a Swede among Nigerians.
you cannot see Guyana from Trinidad no where in Trinidad and not on a clear day either
you can clearly see Venezuela from the west coast of Trinidad from the closest western points or from the mountains
you can clearly see Tobago from Toco, Trinidad
The connection between Guyana and Trinidad is only because the large number of East Indians in both places, other than that there is not much. When people try to make trini and Guyana as some sister countries it really is not.
Black trinis and Black Guyanese are different in most ways, much of the connection probably comes from Guyanese adapting much of Trinidadian culture like trini music, carnival etc
Guyanese basically cling to Trinidad, Jamaica and to a lesser extent Barbados for cultural influences while not really building much of their own culture, for such a big nation it is strange.
Guyana really should be the one calling the shots in the region, but soon with their impending economic clout who knows what will happen. its just that Guyana is such a divided nation and the people are not as prideful of their country and what they have they are too busy bickering with each other.
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