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I'm sorry to step in here but you're not making a good point.
Someone wearing a shirt with stalin or Guevara is not equivalent to hate speech.
Also, I'm pretty sure if you stepped out in public wearing a Swastika on your shirt you'd either get beaten up and/or thrown in jail! No doubt about that!
Okay so you are saying the Nazi's were worse than the communists? How so? The Nazi's killed what, 6 million people according to official numbers? That's not even 5% of the amount of people the communists killed. As someone with Russian heritage I take great offense in that you think that the amount of suffering the communists imposed on the Russian (and other people in the world) wasn't as great or greater than that of Hitler. You don't know what you are talking about.
No, hate speech is not violence. So the next time I see someone with a Che Guevara or Stalin shirt in the subway I should attack them because I fear communism and the hundreds of millions of people it killed? I doubt a judge would let me off with that explanation.
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Originally Posted by GrooveRite
I'm sorry to step in here but you're not making a good point.
Someone wearing a shirt with stalin or Guevara is not equivalent to hate speech.
Also, I'm pretty sure if you stepped out in public wearing a Swastika on your shirt you'd either get beaten up and/or thrown in jail! No doubt about that!
Both forms of objectivity are sensitive to many Americans from all crosses of life especially those who served in the military. Remember Nazis and Communist Killed hundreds and thousands of Americans during the conflicts of WW2, Korean War and Vietnam war. I'm not sure if anyone knows about Nazism and Communism. Both political belief systems are one of the same, its just that Nazism is national socialism, while communism is international socialism. Both political systems believe in state sponsored racism, clearing of minorities and the dominance of 1 racial group. Nazis believed in Lebensraum, or living space, Nazis also killed millions of Jews and other types of minorities like gays and disabled. The Soviets Russified the Far East, and marginalized Far Easterners and the Jews. Also Soviets looked down on gays and the disabled. China marginalizes Mongols, Uygur Turks and Tibetans, and currently replacing these people with Han Chinese. A form of ethnic cleansing. By the end of this century, China will be 100% Han Chinese.
Walk around NYC with a Swakista. 1/4 NYC residents are Jewish, Jews dominate here and it wont be taken lightly. But walk around Miami with a Che Guevara shirt, Che Killed thousands of people in Cuba and across the world, and don't wont be taken lightly amongst Miami Cubans which dominate Miami. I'm not sure a Stalin shirt wont do much in NYC, except for Brighton Beach Brooklyn were its Russian population is Jewish, were Jews were marginalized and placed in pogroms and concentration camps from Stalin regime to the fall of the Soviet Empire. Russian Jews in Brighton Beach Brooklyn will take offense to a Stalin shirt. Right now in this country, sensitivity is a major issue. People are loosing their jobs, reputations are being ruined all because of sensitivity, free speech and identity politics. People must play it cool and let this whole fiasco die itself out.
Communism and Nazism has no space in this country or city. Both political ideas have been soundly defeated by Americans of all crosses of life. The thing is this, is that America has been awaken by Populism like it did during the Great Depression. With the Bernie and Trump movements. Millions of Americans are scared, because with populism, politics walks a fine line in between Fascism and Communism. This is why so many Americans voted for Hillary Clinton and wanted to continuation of Reagan era policies which dominated America for 35 years. Reagan era policies only work for the wealthy, and college educated persons, or about 1/3 of the US population. The other 2/3 are screwed over.
If a 'white' would physically assault a "Black Israelite" (the folks who dress in colorful robes, and preach vociferously about how the White Man is innately evil), would that 'white' be a racist?
Hey if the white man really thought he was being oppressed by the Black Israelite why not? but I'm sure thats not the case, when you don't have the baggage its easy to just move right along.
And Im sure a black israelite isn't going around calling white people racial slurs and being aggressive in their face, they are just calling the system for what it is. It's not like history didnt tell a story.
Situation like this: notify the conductor, who will radio in the incident. Cops would be (or should be) waiting at the subway station!
That soup throwing may, or may not, get flipped against the lady!
The cops being there is a 50/50 chance and yea notify the conductor who may or may not radio in anything. Or kick the piece of trash off and be done with it. The longer it continued the worse it could have got.
And i particularly feels he deserves it after his additional comments of not feeling guilty.
Again, just because someone says something offensive doesn't give you the legal right to assault them. Try arguing verbal provocation as a defense in front of a judge and see how that goes.
In this case the guy is pretty unsympathetic, but this whole self-righteous mentality of "confrontation" sets a dangerous precedent. There are always gonna be idiots in the world with whom you disagree or find offensive, you gonna fight them all? Or KIM and live your own life without letting others that mean nothing to you decide where you're going to focus your energy?
And again, freedom of speech does NOT mean you have freedom from consequences. Like I stated earlier everyone isn't going to be rational under a situation like this you're preaching to the choir.
Don't say disparaging things about others and you won't be assaulted. Of course people don't have the legal right to assault each other over words, but that's fallacious to assume it won't/doesn't happen
Hey if the white man really thought he was being oppressed by the Black Israelite why not? but I'm sure thats not the case, when you don't have the baggage its easy to just move right along.
And Im sure a black israelite isn't going around calling white people racial slurs and being aggressive in their face, they are just calling the system for what it is. It's not like history didnt tell a story.
Not for nothing. Black Isralites had a rally. I encountered them. They were talking about reparations. I said black Americans deserve reparations for Jim Crow, Slavery, institutional racism that persists to this day. I said money should be handed out for 1 generation, and the proceeds must be used for housing purchasing, business and investment and last education. One of the Israelites got upset, and said how dare I say how black people should spend their money. I was called C##n, N word, Cracker, I was told to get out of this effing country. One guy said Sp##s like you need to get out of this country. I got so mad, I was ready to us N word against them. I did not care because they used racial and xenophobic slurs at me first. Even though I'm a man of color, I'm not viewed as a black person by society. I decided to let it go and walk away, just keep it cool while they name call me into oblivion. I'm sure if I used the N word against the group, I would have been stomped to death. I have said to myself, just like white people, black Americans have been historically racist against immigrant people. But I understand why, its due to the decline of wages and jobs in their communities. This is why white men have large opioid problems and increasing single mother households, while black men suffer from high rates of incarceration, lack of jobs, decline of marriages and 70% out of wedlock black female births. At the end of the day, their is a bigger picture for me to think about on and why all the cogs work in this country.
Sometimes I just wonder how people can be so obtuse in order to not be in reality
Racism has no place in society, it's been a factor for way too long and I'm not into normalizing it. You can of course and that's your right but just be ready to deal with the consequences.
This is not 1954 and I know trump has some people fooled but we aren't going backwards. Talk to me a certain way, but don't be surprised to get punched in the face
Exactly, these posters are acting so obtuse and holier than thou. I personally wouldn't rock someone's jaw for them being a racist douche, but I'm not going to act like actions don't cause reactions.
I'm willing to bet these same people who shout 'it's his legal right' get upset when companies fire racist trash who get exposed on social media.
Not for nothing. Black Isralites had a rally. I encountered them. They were talking about reparations. I said black Americans deserve reparations for Jim Crow, Slavery, institutional racism that persists to this day. I said money should be handed out for 1 generation, and the proceeds must be used for housing purchasing, business and investment and last education. One of the Israelites got upset, and said how dare I say how black people should spend their money. I was called C##n, N word, Cracker, I was told to get out of this effing country. One guy said Sp##s like you need to get out of this country. I got so mad, I was ready to us N word against them. I did not care because they used racial and xenophobic slurs at me first. Even though I'm a man of color, I'm not viewed as a black person by society. I decided to let it go and walk away, just keep it cool while they name call me into oblivion. I'm sure if I used the N word against the group, I would have been stomped to death. I have said to myself, just like white people, black Americans have been historically racist against immigrant people. But I understand why, its due to the decline of wages and jobs in their communities. This is why white men have large opioid problems and increasing single mother households, while black men suffer from high rates of incarceration, lack of jobs, decline of marriages and 70% out of wedlock black female births. At the end of the day, their is a bigger picture for me to think about on and why all the cogs work in this country.
Why did you feel your opinion was warranted?
Did anybody tell the Jews how to spend their reperations or the Native Americans?
Optics look bad and pretty much condescending for someone like you who stated you aren't viewed as black to dictate what black people should do. That's up to the black community to figure out but as you know the point is mute as we will never get reparations (not happening). You seem to always make it a point you are ambiguous, you got called every racial slur in the book, Mexican, white, black huh? You aren't apart of the struggle bro.
Exactly, these posters are acting so obtuse and holier than thou. I personally wouldn't rock someone's jaw for them being a racist douche, but I'm not going to act like actions don't cause reactions.
I'm willing to bet these same people who shout 'it's his legal right' get upset when companies fire racist trash who get exposed on social media.
People are getting exposed on social media everyday for such stuff, rather if its racial, political sexist or classist. Just the other day a woman got fired from her job for provocative soft-core pictures with her and her boyfriend on social media. If you want to say certain things online, you need to be a public figure and not be employed. If employers see you doing something online, or going to a rally or a protest, or getting arrested, that employer will be fired. Just hope that employee either has a union or a binding contract that protects them from getting fired.
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