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Old 11-21-2017, 01:29 PM
 
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My guess is the city plans to make an industry out of it, modeled after San Francisco. Right now NYC has a system that is broken because it was first designed to actually assist people getting back on their feet again but to do that is, complex. In San Fran they made it into an actual Homeless Industry with high paying jobs and everything (for non-homeless professionals) but it is designed to keep homeless people homeless. I recently visited SF and their homeless issue is way way worse compared to what is seen on the streets of Manhattan.
Years ago my daughter was involved with the Union Gospel Mission in Seattle. She suspects these organizations to help the homeless are not doing their job because if they did, they wouldn't have a job. I seriously think its become a multimillion dollar industry in Seattle.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...-11600-people/

We are getting nowhere for a reason.

If they seriously wanted to solve this problem, it's doable.
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Old 11-21-2017, 01:39 PM
 
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Years ago my daughter was involved with the Union Gospel Mission in Seattle. She suspects these organizations to help the homeless are not doing their job because if they did, they wouldn't have a job. I seriously think its become a multimillion dollar industry in Seattle.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...-11600-people/

We are getting nowhere for a reason.

If they seriously wanted to solve this problem, it's doable.
Yep -- too much misguided compassion on the one hand and ill-informed anger on the other allows for the cynical to thrive and proliferate.

In NYC, the Poverty Industrial Complex is a literal billion-dollar industry.
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Old 10-01-2018, 05:17 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Old 10-01-2018, 06:28 PM
 
Location: NY
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De blasio plans to open 90 shelters in new homeless initiative

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...ess-initiative

De blasio is in for a second term and he even said that he has a 'mandate' to further his agenda. He wants to open a lot of homeless shelters despite opposition and major concerns over QOL and crime issues that these shelters may bring. I have empathy for our vulnerable population but I think shelters will only encourage more homeless ppl, drug addicts and transients to enter NY to reap benefits.

Shelters are rough places and a lot of homeless people have MAJOR mental health issues. Do you think this shelter plan is good in any sense?



Di Bla Bla Blazio continues to butcher the middle class neighborhoods while Captain Cuomo arguing the middle class
is not leaving because of the New York economy; they are leaving because of the weather! Laughable and Disingenuous.
How about fair distribution of the homeless population across all 50 states instead of all walking,running,driving,flying
onto the streets of New York? There will come a time when even NY will say enough is enough.The time is here.
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Old 10-02-2018, 03:38 AM
 
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Di Bla Bla Blazio continues to butcher the middle class neighborhoods while Captain Cuomo arguing the middle class
is not leaving because of the New York economy; they are leaving because of the weather! Laughable and Disingenuous.
How about fair distribution of the homeless population across all 50 states instead of all walking,running,driving,flying
onto the streets of New York?
There will come a time when even NY will say enough is enough.The time is here.
How do you propose this? And believe it or not there are homeless people across all 50 states. You'd need cooperation from the national government to reduce this problem.
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Old 10-02-2018, 06:01 AM
 
Location: NY
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How do you propose this? And believe it or not there are homeless people across all 50 states. You'd need cooperation from the national government to reduce this problem.



Thankyou,
The problem is apparent.
I will never ever forget when I was employed riding the train home beaten from work and talking with a
person from another state practically jumping for joy on how he eventually cashed in on New Yorks welfare
system because his state was handing out peanuts in comparison.
The government does assist by supplying Medicaid ,SSI and Social Security Disability but it is up to the
individual states and localities to participate in controlling the amount of homelessness.
There lies the problem.
Taxpayers pay $35,000 per homeless person per year and $12,000 if housed.
As an example:
If you as a New York Resident wanted to apply for a nice nursing home in another state other
than the urinals New York City has to offer there is ( in many cases) a waiting period. You would
have to establish residency before being eligible to apply.It may be a year or more. It varies.
It is not right for the New York Taxpayer to continually pick up the ever increasing expense passed along on all
his/hers property taxes ,utilities,etc......especially those of fair body and sound mind that choose not to assimilate
but rather be the pariah to which we must bow

The city continues to help feed and clothe our homeless without question. Applaud.
So my very raw proposal is New housing applicants need to provide proof of residency.
If you can not you must establish residency. All states can reach an agreement on 1,2,3 years etc...
If all states comply you will see housing of the homeless isolated and contained to their state of residency.
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Old 10-02-2018, 08:26 AM
 
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Thankyou,
The problem is apparent.
I will never ever forget when I was employed riding the train home beaten from work and talking with a
person from another state practically jumping for joy on how he eventually cashed in on New Yorks welfare
system because his state was handing out peanuts in comparison.
The government does assist by supplying Medicaid ,SSI and Social Security Disability but it is up to the
individual states and localities to participate in controlling the amount of homelessness.
There lies the problem.
Taxpayers pay $35,000 per homeless person per year and $12,000 if housed.
As an example:
If you as a New York Resident wanted to apply for a nice nursing home in another state other
than the urinals New York City has to offer there is ( in many cases) a waiting period. You would
have to establish residency before being eligible to apply.It may be a year or more. It varies.
It is not right for the New York Taxpayer to continually pick up the ever increasing expense passed along on all
his/hers property taxes ,utilities,etc......especially those of fair body and sound mind that choose not to assimilate
but rather be the pariah to which we must bow

The city continues to help feed and clothe our homeless without question. Applaud.
So my very raw proposal is New housing applicants need to provide proof of residency.
If you can not you must establish residency. All states can reach an agreement on 1,2,3 years etc...

If all states comply you will see housing of the homeless isolated and contained to their state of residency.

NYC does not require residency for welfare benefits because the court struck down laws that required that applicants live in a state a certain amount of time before receiving said benefits.

Also a person can go homeless in one state, but perhaps they have family in another state and maybe it is better for them to go there to get benefits where they have family that can help them. But meanwhile due to the court ruling, states cannot require a residency period to receive benefits.
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Old 10-02-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Theres something fishy about how the system is housing them in downtown Manhattan and Upper West Side kinds of neighborhoods.

$$$
It's fine, it's the liberal heaven so they should own up to feeding and caring for the homeless. Alot of rich liberals are just closet Republicans. They only say in public all the nice things but in person they commit the same offenses as those from deep red towns.
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Old 10-02-2018, 10:41 PM
 
Location: NY
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NYC does not require residency for welfare benefits because the court struck down laws that required that applicants live in a state a certain amount of time before receiving said benefits.

Also a person can go homeless in one state, but perhaps they have family in another state and maybe it is better for them to go there to get benefits where they have family that can help them. But meanwhile due to the court ruling, states cannot require a residency period to receive benefits.



Ouch! There is no way around the political machine. It will eventually eat you.
Makes sense why so many non homeless, middle class folks are fleeing New York.
Better to eat than to be eaten.
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Old 10-02-2018, 10:50 PM
 
Location: New York City
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The more free support services you offer, the more homeless will come to New York

Basic laws of economics
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