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I’d donate to a charity that washes and grooms homeless people, then puts them in some clean clothes from goodwill or something. Does that exist?
No -- 'cause it's pointless; the homeless who stink it up (whether in shelters or actually on the streets literally) weren't raised to value cleanliness.
I personally prefer right-wing death-squads for this kind of work but the political will isn't there....
I see people jumping the turnstiles all the time. I blame Bill de blasio for ending broken windows. It does make cop's jobs easier but puts the public in danger and makes the city feel like a sh!thole.
No -- 'cause it's pointless; the homeless who stink it up (whether in shelters or actually on the streets literally) weren't raised to value cleanliness.
I personally prefer right-wing death-squads for this kind of work but the political will isn't there....
I actually don't think it's pointless. I think even a temporary reprieve takes a while to completely muck up again. It's also a feedback loop for serious derangement among some homeless people where the state of being homeless makes it difficult to look and appear anything but which then reinforces people's interactions as them as pariahs which then feeds more into their isolation and lessens their will to appear and act normal. I have one friend who grew up with his mother in the streets and then in a shelter and he's got some pretty interesting experiences, but the biggest thing is noticing the bad feedback loops that are extremely difficult to get out of and the one of buffing up personal appearances and hygiene is one that he thought was particularly instrumental in how they got out (that and getting tubes tied to not have another kid).
E has always been the bum train because it never goes above ground. I've been going to raves and coming home at 3-5a from a lot of Queens, always past Jackson Heights and usually before Jamaica Center. It's felt that way since the moment I first moved here in 2010.
I see people jumping the turnstiles all the time. I blame Bill de blasio for ending broken windows. It does make cop's jobs easier but puts the public in danger and makes the city feel like a sh!thole.
Broken Windows was all right and made a lot of sense. Funny that liberals devalue "quality of life" when it involves the black and brown!
I wish folks could just be sensible, for Christ's sake, instead of everything being about racism all the time...it's cries of racism at every turn that engender more racism!!
Lol. It's hilarious that conservatives are claiming homelessness as their issue, when Bloomberg was the one who shut down section 8 vouchers leaving thousands of people to sleep on the subway
I don't know about conservatives and homelessness (though Bloomberg more [neo-] liberal than conservative) but the homeless who sleep on the subways aren't necessarily Section 8 voucher rejects...many are nuts, some are just "hanging out" in the subway temporarily (for instance, got kicked out of a shelter for threatening behavior [and given the incredibly low standards at the shelters, you have to be a real hell-raiser to get kicked out, usually -- though, to be fair, the staff are usually just non-white Trump supporter types])....
And the N and R happen to run through the mayor's neighborhood.
Ah, okay, thanks for the observation -- makes sense!
I was going to venture that a large part of the routes run through Italian and Chinese nabes, and Italians and Chinese aren't the type to give to bums, generally, which would discourage the bums' "frequent rider miles" on these lines...!
I actually don't think it's pointless. I think even a temporary reprieve takes a while to completely muck up again.
Let me tell you this: you probably have in mind homeless like me -- someone whose homelessness is almost entirely a financial matter -- but someone like me wouldn't be in rags smelling of urine and feces.
With those folks, it's never "temporary"...it's truly a lifestyle.
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It's also a feedback loop for serious derangement among some homeless people where the state of being homeless makes it difficult to look and appear anything but which then reinforces people's interactions as them as pariahs which then feeds more into their isolation and lessens their will to appear and act normal.
I invite you to save on rent for a year and try out a homeless shelter -- that'll cure you your "romanticism!"
No doubt such a negative feedback loop exists, but it doesn't exist because these folks just need a chance...they're too far gone mentally.
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I have one friend who grew up with his mother in the streets and then in a shelter and he's got some pretty interesting experiences, but the biggest thing is noticing the bad feedback loops that are extremely difficult to get out of and the one of buffing up personal appearances and hygiene is one that he thought was particularly instrumental in how they got out (that and getting tubes tied to not have another kid).
Erm, well, that's why there's free soap and hot water at the shelters.
I've been in more than five now and no matter the quality (and they vary widely), every one's always had free soap and hot water.
But those folks stinkin' up the subways...it's a mental problem, not a plumbing issue.
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