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Like most know enough coding to create a decent enough website. But you couldn't pay me enough to sit down and do that for eight or more hours straight five days per week.
Like most know enough coding to create a decent enough website. But you couldn't pay me enough to sit down and do that for eight or more hours straight five days per week.
Software engineering is more than web development. Also just because you played basketball doesn't make you a professional basketball player.
Like most know enough coding to create a decent enough website. But you couldn't pay me enough to sit down and do that for eight or more hours straight five days per week.
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Originally Posted by NYer23
Software engineering is more than web development. Also just because you played basketball doesn't make you a professional basketball player.
I don’t know how many people on this forum actually work within the areas of tech, digital media, internet, etc but there is a strong misconception from people outside of the industry that all jobs within these types of companies, especially the high paying ones, involve coding or engineering. While obviously a big part of the back end involves pure technical skills, the front end - specifically the business end which is the driving force for making the company more money- does not. Many of the high paying jobs do not involve direct technical knowledge, at least not in the way that most of you think. They do require a unique skill set, which often means the ability to understand abstract concepts and apply critical and strategic thinking: Product management, product development, research analytics, client management and development, sales and new business development, sales engineering (which is a rare combo of pure technical skills and client facing “sales” ability). Pure back end work like coding can be, and often is, outsourced.
I have a big digital media client that gets “their team in Bangalore” to crunch data. However it’s the so called front end teams that translate the back end data crunching into money for the company. Those are the roles that cannot be outsourced, are in high demand in the US, and are a challenge to fill.
For anyone curious, google “jobs at Amazon” and just glance through the roles. You’ll see things like:
DSP Specialist
Analytics and Meda Manager
Partner Development Strategist
Video Advertising Solutions Specialist
Program Manager, Custom Ad Solutions & Products
Account Manager, Global Financial Services
Partner Sales Manager
Of course there are the hard core data engineering and data scientists roles that I would classify as true “techy” (meaning requiring acute technical skills) but the other roles are basically white collar business roles albeit requiring a specific background knowledge (which is not “coding”!!!)
I don’t know how many people on this forum actually work within the areas of tech, digital media, internet, etc but there is a strong misconception from people outside of the industry that all jobs within these types of companies, especially the high paying ones, involve coding or engineering. While obviously a big part of the back end involves pure technical skills, the front end - specifically the business end which is the driving force for making the company more money- does not. Many of the high paying jobs do not involve direct technical knowledge, at least not in the way that most of you think. They do require a unique skill set, which often means the ability to understand abstract concepts and apply critical and strategic thinking: Product management, product development, research analytics, client management and development, sales and new business development, sales engineering (which is a rare combo of pure technical skills and client facing “sales” ability). Pure back end work like coding can be, and often is, outsourced.
I have a big digital media client that gets “their team in Bangalore” to crunch data. However it’s the so called front end teams that translate the back end data crunching into money for the company. Those are the roles that cannot be outsourced, are in high demand in the US, and are a challenge to fill.
For anyone curious, google “jobs at Amazon” and just glance through the roles. You’ll see things like:
DSP Specialist
Analytics and Meda Manager
Partner Development Strategist
Video Advertising Solutions Specialist
Program Manager, Custom Ad Solutions & Products
Account Manager, Global Financial Services
Partner Sales Manager
Of course there are the hard core data engineering and data scientists roles that I would classify as true “techy” (meaning requiring acute technical skills) but the other roles are basically white collar business roles albeit requiring a specific background knowledge (which is not “coding”!!!)
You are absolutely dead on the money. I have a background in coding but have evolved over the years to do more product management and serve as the liaison between business objectives and tech. Those soft skills are a rarity. You do need tech background because in my experience, the pure business folk, no matter how hard they try simply can’t wrap their heads around the technical specifications, and the people doing the work often are not able to break it down into non-tech speak.
The outsourced stuff is over-rated. People who are not steeped in US culture and business practices need a heck of a lot more project management and guidance almost to the point of walking them through every step of the way. With that level of guidance, or having to redo the work a few times, the savings from outsourceing is often lost. It isn’t that it couldn’t be done, but the level of detail required with functional requirements work is hard to write down, especially in an agile environment. What we deem as common sense and ‘duh, of course’ isn’t necessarily the case.
Good jobs for the future would be in the areas of analytics (and not just number crunching but the social science of figuring out why certain behaviors take place), ux and ui (user experience and user interface) and of course being a project manager and product owner (not what it seems by title). Most of these jobs aren’t jobs that require an it degree.
As far as workforce base is concerned: giants like Facebook, Google and Amazon don’t need a particular city to have a workforce already in place to set up shop. So long as they are in a location that people want to live, recruitment will be easy.
As far as transportation: our subway system has many flaws but at least we have a transit system. A flawed system is better than no system. I once worked at a company (in nyc) that bused us to our other offices that were out of the way. It’s not unknown.
As far as neighborhoods: this conversation pretends like the existing landscape is all there will ever be. Have we not seen so many neighborhoods dramatically transform in the past 10 years? One major company can change things, one new transit connection can change things. I would not be concerned about that nor one seat rides.
Amazon is officially coming to booming Long Island City, Queens gentrification in Western Queens going be off the chains it going become Tech Valley. It is time for people buy properties in The Bronx before it become North Williamsburg in few years.
You are absolutely dead on the money. I have a background in coding but have evolved over the years to do more product management and serve as the liaison between business objectives and tech. Those soft skills are a rarity. You do need tech background because in my experience, the pure business folk, no matter how hard they try simply can’t wrap their heads around the technical specifications, and the people doing the work often are not able to break it down into non-tech speak.
You both hand wave the technical side as it doesn't require any form of education and learning curve. There is no free lunch, you spend countless free hours learning and self teaching yourself the information needed to get a high paying job. In addition, there is multiple rounds of rigorous technical interviews to land a job.
I don’t know how many people on this forum actually work within the areas of tech, digital media, internet, etc but there is a strong misconception from people outside of the industry that all jobs within these types of companies, especially the high paying ones, involve coding or engineering. While obviously a big part of the back end involves pure technical skills, the front end - specifically the business end which is the driving force for making the company more money- does not. Many of the high paying jobs do not involve direct technical knowledge, at least not in the way that most of you think. They do require a unique skill set, which often means the ability to understand abstract concepts and apply critical and strategic thinking: Product management, product development, research analytics, client management and development, sales and new business development, sales engineering (which is a rare combo of pure technical skills and client facing “sales” ability). Pure back end work like coding can be, and often is, outsourced.
I have a big digital media client that gets “their team in Bangalore” to crunch data. However it’s the so called front end teams that translate the back end data crunching into money for the company. Those are the roles that cannot be outsourced, are in high demand in the US, and are a challenge to fill.
For anyone curious, google “jobs at Amazon” and just glance through the roles. You’ll see things like:
DSP Specialist
Analytics and Meda Manager
Partner Development Strategist
Video Advertising Solutions Specialist
Program Manager, Custom Ad Solutions & Products
Account Manager, Global Financial Services
Partner Sales Manager
Of course there are the hard core data engineering and data scientists roles that I would classify as true “techy” (meaning requiring acute technical skills) but the other roles are basically white collar business roles albeit requiring a specific background knowledge (which is not “coding”!!!)
A lot of their IT is done overseas. Their item set-up, order management, AP, etc is all overseas.
Another misconception is that these roles are going to be filled by fresh out of college “IT grads”. When it’s likely a large majority of the positions will be for experienced, early career types. So people with 5-10 years of relevant industry background and experience. Those are your 20something to 30something millennials. They, by and large, are looking to poach experienced people from relatable industries/roles. NYC has a lot of early career talent from related industries.
Our media and ad industry is huge. Again, people outside of the digital space don’t realize this but all of the major ad agencies have HQs here and a large portion of their business now is within the tech space (in the form of digital media, digital advertising, online video, digital research and analytics, etc). There are also ad tech companies that have sprung up around these agencies to support the industry, like DSPs (which stands for “demand side platform” which is a type of technology and mechanism for serving online ads). These companies are ripe for poaching talent.
Amazon is officially coming to booming Long Island City, Queens gentrification in Western Queens going be off the chains it going become Tech Valley. It is time for people buy properties in The Bronx before it become North Williamsburg in few years.
Good news that the MTA is doing Penn Station Access. It already was going to use an existing stop at LIC, but a new Sunnyside stop is under evaluation again,
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