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Old 11-14-2018, 05:20 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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You seem to be pretty worked up over this. You want evidence this and evidence that. How about you provide evidence to the contrary? Otherwise, you are just as full of it.
Okay, describe what would be evidence to the contrary.

There are links to the bid details already posted.

There are news articles to the New Jersey bid and its details.

There's a wikipedia page among many other things about different kids of bids and auction processes.

Is that what you're talking about? Because there's no other thing I'm basing anything I said on.

Now for you, what does your garbage pile look like? Well, sure, find the link that says this bid process was as you said. Go on ahead--find a single link that said the bid process was openly shared among all city's bidding during the process and there was the ability to revise those bids. You've got a much harder job there, because it's more than likely that you just verbal diarrhea'd that out
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Old 11-14-2018, 05:37 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Curious, but would it be a good idea for the state to consider high speed rail to other parts of the state to help eleviate any housing stress that will occur with the location of Amazon to the city or would this just shift the “stress” in terms of infrastructure for such a project?
High-speed rail under the technical definition would be hard to justify given the work needed to put into it and that the largest New York State city nearby is Albany which isn't actually all that large. The other major NYS cities are even further off and the laid rail tracks means that all trips have to pass along a east-west axis until hitting Albany where it goes south rather than a straight shot going diagonally across the state, so that's a lot of added distance.

The lowest hanging fruits are extensions of Metro-North lines and extend the commuter shed especially when it comes to west of the Hudson River. NYC is the single largest economic engine for the state, so it makes sense to try to make those jobs as accessible as possible within a reasonable commute time.

The only likely direct path to LIC for Metro-North is the New Haven Line under Penn Station Access phase 1. In regards to New York State, there's a section of Westchester County which that serves. For potentially other direct rides: in regards to the Hudson Line there's Penn Station Access phase 2 which can bring Hudson Line trains into Penn Station and then from there east to LIC, and in regards to the Harlem Line there's the possibility for Metro-North is reactivating the Port Morris Branch so that Harlem Line trains can also directly go on to the Hell's Gate bridge and into LIC. From those projects to get further into the rest of the state, there's the fairly straightforward extension of the Hudson and Harlem lines which currently end in NYC. These terminal ends are currently a pretty far distance off from Manhattan, but the extensions they can make are pretty straightforward. Reactivating passenger rail west of the Hudson River via the new Tappan Zee should be a no-brainer and can potentially access the Amazon location directly through the second phase of Penn Station Access after merging with the current Hudson Line.
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Old 11-14-2018, 05:43 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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A lot of IT is already done overseas. Their AP is done overseas, Item set-up is automated and any questions are answered overseas via Vendor Central, their ordering system is either done via vendor central or orders are transmitted via an EDI850.

I doubt that they need such a big space or that they will hire 25K in people. The site runs pretty smoothly with the current staff. I can see them in 10 years having to downsize.
Amazon's online retail is only a component of their work and your post here and previous posts seems to fixate on that component. Their cloud services divisions is likely their largest profit generator if not now, then fairly soon. That requires a lot of work that is quite difficult to outsource and requires some really talented people that are hard to attract. Another component has been Amazon's large move into media production and distribution. Recall that Netflix itself is a massive company and Amazon is trying to compete with that as well. Amazon has been developing a large hardware engineering time both in terms of product and server rack design. That's a lot of hard technical work and a whole host of other people who make sure that work is well-defined and gets done and there aren't that many people who can actually do this well and quickly. The things you're talking about are basically mechanical turks that are just out of reach of reliable automation.

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Old 11-14-2018, 06:26 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Amazon's online retail is only a component of their work and your post here and previous posts seems to fixate on that component. Their cloud services divisions is likely their largest profit generator if not now, then fairly soon. That requires a lot of work that is quite difficult to outsource and requires some really talented people that are hard to attract. Another component has been Amazon's large move into media production and distribution. Recall that Netflix itself is a massive company and Amazon is trying to compete with that as well. Amazon has been developing a large hardware engineering time both in terms of product and server rack design. That's a lot of hard technical work and a whole host of other people who make sure that work is well-defined and gets done and there aren't that many people who can actually do this well and quickly. The things you're talking about are basically mechanical turks that are just out of reach of reliable automation.
Amazon's Retail business is still their biggest sector to date.

The servers for their cloud services are situated in the below states. It would make more sense to have those engineers on site.

US East
N. Virginia (6), Ohio (3)
US West
N. California (3), Oregon (3)

In regards to media, although NYC has a decent film presence. Hollywood is where all the players are located. Also, Toronto is another player in the film industry. NYC ranks #5 on that list.

The Best Places to Live and Work as a Moviemaker 2018: Big Cities | Massachusetts Film Office

In regards to the below. Remember Amazon was looking for the best incentives.

"That's a lot of hard technical work and a whole host of other people who make sure that work is well-defined and gets done and there aren't that many people who can actually do this well and quickly."

We also have to remember that Google set-up shop in NYC with no incentives and has hired around 10K of people.
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Old 11-14-2018, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Northeast states
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^ More transportation connectivity is always good thing. Problem is New York (both city and state) don't know how to build rail efficiently and cost effectively anymore. Everything is crazy expensive and take forever.
How Japan built railway quicker than NYC ?
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Old 11-14-2018, 07:07 PM
 
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Amazon's online retail is only a component of their work and your post here and previous posts seems to fixate on that component. Their cloud services divisions is likely their largest profit generator if not now, then fairly soon. That requires a lot of work that is quite difficult to outsource and requires some really talented people that are hard to attract. Another component has been Amazon's large move into media production and distribution. Recall that Netflix itself is a massive company and Amazon is trying to compete with that as well. Amazon has been developing a large hardware engineering time both in terms of product and server rack design. That's a lot of hard technical work and a whole host of other people who make sure that work is well-defined and gets done and there aren't that many people who can actually do this well and quickly. The things you're talking about are basically mechanical turks that are just out of reach of reliable automation.
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Amazon's Retail business is still their biggest sector to date.

The servers for their cloud services are situated in the below states. It would make more sense to have those engineers on site.

US East
N. Virginia (6), Ohio (3)
US West
N. California (3), Oregon (3)

In regards to media, although NYC has a decent film presence. Hollywood is where all the players are located. Also, Toronto is another player in the film industry. NYC ranks #5 on that list.

The Best Places to Live and Work as a Moviemaker 2018: Big Cities | Massachusetts Film Office

In regards to the below. Remember Amazon was looking for the best incentives.

"That's a lot of hard technical work and a whole host of other people who make sure that work is well-defined and gets done and there aren't that many people who can actually do this well and quickly."

We also have to remember that Google set-up shop in NYC with no incentives and has hired around 10K of people.
They’re not just an online retailer...

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/13/66627...-big-is-amazon

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...s_and_services

https://qz.com/1051814/what-is-amazon-really/

People are so stuck on the portions of Amazon they can see but Amazon has so much more behind the scenes including fast scaling other business units outside of pure e-commerce
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Old 11-14-2018, 08:28 PM
 
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Some people are never happy: https://ny.curbed.com/2018/11/14/180...-rally-critics
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Old 11-14-2018, 10:27 PM
 
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The timing of this announcement is good because it will give me an opportunity to move back to the city but where would I live. This is going to be a housing nightmare.
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Old 11-14-2018, 10:37 PM
 
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How Japan built railway quicker than NYC ?
people forget, the Japanese helped build the railroad systems around the USA. They were kicked out once their was no need for them. Jamaicans also helped build the MTA subway lines. SO, Japan has so much experience to make things work, and to move people.
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Old 11-14-2018, 11:32 PM
 
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people forget, the Japanese helped build the railroad systems around the USA. They were kicked out once their was no need for them. Jamaicans also helped build the MTA subway lines. SO, Japan has so much experience to make things work, and to move people.





Wrong Asians pal; it was the Chinese who built railroads and largely in the west.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ental_railroad


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-a...argest-n774901


There was already a good number of Chinese out west anyway, and after the Gold Rush boom went bust they needed to find other work. Unlike the northeast there wasn't enough Europeans willing to take on RR construction work. Then unlike the South you didn't have Jim Crow laws and other means to get African American men to do that work either.


North east areas benefitted from large numbers of Irish, Italian, German, and a host of other European immigrant men needing to work, and of course the native African American population. However large infrastructure projects were not above bringing in foreign labor (the subways and other railroads along with Brooklyn Bridge, etc....) from Europe and or even the Caribbean nations. Some such guest workers went back home when done, others remained and began new lives in America.


Meanwhile out west the Chinese were basically the "blacks" in terms of rampant discrimination, violence against and so forth. They were barred by statues and or custom in many areas out there from all sorts of employment and professions. Reason why there were so many Chinese laundries in California, Seattle, Washington and Central Pacific areas was because that was one of the few things open.
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