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This is nonsense. It's up to the police to evaluate a situation when they get to it and decide what response, if any, is appropriate. The fact that the police did take action justifies the fact that the management called the police.
The store is private property. If management wants to trespass someone on the property against their wishes, they have the legal right to do so. There was no legal violation here.
Of course, they are a retail business. If this creates bad will with their potential customers, they'll have to live with it. There's also the issue that the political layer will pander to the rabble that might be offended, and take it out on the business, so Starbucks is doing PR to try and quell the response. In my mind, this isn't going to change anything. They might as well just ignore the rabble, and go on as normal.
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Originally Posted by NyWriterdude
What probably should happen is holding people accountable for making BS police calls themselves.
I live in Spain these days. If you call 112 here to make a complaint, after you make the telephone complaint you have to physically go down to the police precinct and file a report and you have to show your national ID.
If people who make complaints (there'a suspicious black guy walking down the street) knew that they were going to be on the record and that could be held liable for any lie a lot of police calls that have lead to disasters would not even be placed.
I also don't think that Starbucks told this manager to do this. People sit down in Starbucks for hours reading something online or a newspaper and Starbucks staff never say anything. Beyond paying off the two men, I don't know what more you want Starbucks to do. Shutting down the company for days would harm other employees and customers, and it's not their fault this manager did this. Starbucks, according to ABC Philadelphia, has already fired the manager of the store. She was held accountable for making a BS police report/phone call. Philadelphia Starbucks manager who called police on two men no longer employed at store, spokesman says | abc7.com
This is nonsense. It's up to the police to evaluate a situation when they get to it and decide what response, if any, is appropriate. The fact that the police did take action justifies the fact that the management called the police.
The store is private property. If management wants to trespass someone on the property against their wishes, they have the legal right to do so. There was no legal violation here.
Of course, they are a retail business. If this creates bad will with their potential customers, they'll have to live with it. There's also the issue that the political layer will pander to the rabble that might be offended, and take it out on the business, so Starbucks is doing PR to try and quell the response. In my mind, this isn't going to change anything. They might as well just ignore the rabble, and go on as normal.
I'm actually quite surprised that the attention seems to be focused mainly on Starbucks (as it should be). This situation is ripe for the simpletons to blame the police, especially considering the clear political leanings of the company in question.
What probably should happen is holding people accountable for making BS police calls themselves.
I live in Spain these days. If you call 112 here to make a complaint, after you make the telephone complaint you have to physically go down to the police precinct and file a report and you have to show your national ID.
If people who make complaints (there'a suspicious black guy walking down the street) knew that they were going to be on the record and that could be held liable for any lie a lot of police calls that have lead to disasters would not even be placed.
I also don't think that Starbucks told this manager to do this. People sit down in Starbucks for hours reading something online or a newspaper and Starbucks staff never say anything. Beyond paying off the two men, I don't know what more you want Starbucks to do. Shutting down the company for days would harm other employees and customers, and it's not their fault this manager did this. Starbucks, according to ABC Philadelphia, has already fired the manager of the store. She was held accountable for making a BS police report/phone call. http://abc7.com/spokesman-philly-sta...store/3351339/
Uh it isn't clear that the manager was fired. It just says that the manager "left the store". Various reports have said that it isn't clear if the manager was fired, or simply was relocated to another store and I think that was done on purpose too. Starbucks doesn't want people knowing what happened to the manager because they want this to go away and make it look like they're being proactive about it. I doubt that the manager was fired because this was technically trespassing. The only issue is that this blew up in Starbucks face and they didn't expect it to.
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You clearly haven’t watched the original video or the police chief’s explanation of exactly what transpired. Fyi, the Chief is black.
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Originally Posted by kapikap
Chief being black don't mean crap. You are blue are you aren't. Uncle Tom ring a bell?
I have seen several versions of events. Philly is an openly racist city. Been like that for a long time. I was surprised what I heard on Friday and Saturday nights. Openly n word and the c word,like nothing.
There are definitely black cops out here that get a kick out of arresting black men. It makes them feel as if they're somehow superior and have "privilege" since they are cops first and black second. I looked at the video of one of the black cops who was just there with his arms crossed like it was okay to arrest the two guys. I doubt his body language would've been the same if this had been two white guys.
I'm actually quite surprised that the attention seems to be focused mainly on Starbucks (as it should be). This situation is ripe for the simpletons to blame the police, especially considering the clear political leanings of the company in question.
I was at McD in TimeSquare, upstairs. And 2 NYPD showed up with the rubber gloves ready to escort or carry a homeless person out of the place. Not sure if he's a customer but he was escorted out and they took all of his belongings and left it outside. He is black and I don't think race is the issue here, the police are called whenever a business wants a customer to escorted off premise. Including arguing about the food or with other customers. I actually think Starbucks was not in the wrong here and they will do a sensitivity training just to show customers they care but in reality business is usual.
I've been to restaurants where I was being ignored because I didn't look rich enough and my boss had to come over and bring me over to the table.
There are definitely black cops out here that get a kick out of arresting black men. It makes them feel as if they're somehow superior and have "privilege" since they are cops first and black second. I looked at the video of one of the black cops who was just there with his arms crossed like it was okay to arrest the two guys. I doubt his body language would've been the same if this had been two white guys.
It was ok to arrest them though, period, end of story. Any commercial establishment can do exactly what this starbucks did. These men were given the chance to leave - three chances actually - and refused each time. At that point they are committing criminal trespass since the person of authority within the store (the manager, not the police) has requested that they leave.
I was at McD in TimeSquare, upstairs. And 2 NYPD showed up with the rubber gloves ready to escort or carry a homeless person out of the place. Not sure if he's a customer but he was escorted out and they took all of his belongings and left it outside. He is black and I don't think race is the issue here, the police are called whenever a business wants a customer to escorted off premise. Including arguing about the food or with other customers. I actually think Starbucks was not in the wrong here and they will do a sensitivity training just to show customers they care but in reality business is usual.
I've been to restaurants where I was being ignored because I didn't look rich enough and my boss had to come over and bring me over to the table.
NYPD are called *all the time* to remove homeless people from places where they aren't wanted.
You see them all the time (along with an ambulance and EMT's) on streets of UES removing (or trying to) homeless who are in a doorway of a closed store, or otherwise in or on private property.
A few years ago a transplant chick who lives in building next door came home late one night to find a homeless person sleeping against building. Terrified about passing him she called 911 and they showed up in full force (a few squad cars) along with an ambulance.
There is a 24/7 McD on Third Avenue near 85th street that is full of homeless all the time, especially overnight and or when weather is bad. They sit there reading newspapers or whatever, sleeping, etc.... Then there are the ones who panhandle outside including acting as "doormen" then shoving a cup in your face.
Starbucks might basically have turned themselves into a homeless daycare center as a result of this nonsense. Not the best of business models.
In much if not all of NYC that has already happened.
Homeless lounge at all the UES Starbucks from opening until closing time. Know this because they are easily spotted, and or have seen the same persons for years now.
When stores close they stand outside and wait for workers to throw out the garbage so they can dig out any food thrown away.
In their own way SB has become one of the largest homeless or whatever "food banks" in NYC.
Three times per week all unsold foods are thrown out (all those baked goods, sandwiches, salads, etc...), and the homeless and or dumpster divers know it, as do workers for that matter.
Competition has become keen over the years so homeless now sit in stores at closing time "watching" to see what if anything is being thrown out and what bag it goes into. Other times workers know their "regular" homeless and will maybe help them out.
Until those kiosks came along, SB was the de facto spot for free WiFi.
This is nonsense. It's up to the police to evaluate a situation when they get to it and decide what response, if any, is appropriate. The fact that the police did take action justifies the fact that the management called the police.
The store is private property. If management wants to trespass someone on the property against their wishes, they have the legal right to do so. There was no legal violation here.
Of course, they are a retail business. If this creates bad will with their potential customers, they'll have to live with it. There's also the issue that the political layer will pander to the rabble that might be offended, and take it out on the business, so Starbucks is doing PR to try and quell the response. In my mind, this isn't going to change anything. They might as well just ignore the rabble, and go on as normal.
It's a private business and they made their decision without your two cents. LOL
So they fired the woman. You see the woman is just a replaceable employee and if Starbucks determines she is in the wrong and then did, it's goodbye.
I never liked Starbucks, don't care. I never got the appeal, DD is way better IMO.
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