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This is going to make that Big Dig in Boston look like chump change.
I think the MTA AND the contractors likely low ball the projects in order to get governmental approval. Once construction starts, it's looks pretty bad to stop the project, and then the real costs come in.
Of course East Side Access had very complicated engineering, as they essentially built a new terminal underneathe the existing terminal to Grand Central Station.
I think the MTA AND the contractors likely low ball the projects in order to get governmental approval. Once construction starts, it's looks pretty bad to stop the project, and then the real costs come in.
Of course East Side Access had very complicated engineering, as they essentially built a new terminal underneathe the existing terminal to Grand Central Station.
Yes, very complicated engineering largely because the idea behind it is thoroughly stupid.
They had to build a massive new terminal with many berths so they can run trains through a massive interlocking to multiple new terminal berths to reverse all the the trains once they get to Grand Central.
In contrast, London’s extension of their inner city commuter rail, CrossRail, involved connecting existing tracks at both ends and will cost less, is less complicated in its engineering, is far less complicated in its operations, and brings a different tier of service as it essentially created a whole new rapid transit line for much of the urban core.
NYC’s regional transit planning over the last few decades has been wastefully stupid full of lost opportunities. This one should’ve been the pilot for useful RER type service benefiting city and suburban commuters. The other two really short-sighted moves are:
Not connecting PATH at World Trade Center to be a combined run with the 6 train terminus at City Hall.
Not combining phase 1 and phase 2 construction of the Second Avenue Subway.
All of these could have been in reach of the massive budgets allocated for them and would have created a far better overall transit network.
GCT is already overcrowded passenger-wise during rush hours. The idea that thousands more people can be pouring onto the concourse and into the 4/5/6 there at the same time is just ludicrous. Some crowding consultant paid to say "yes" and the project proceeded.
Build new train terminal in Queens or The Bronx bring in Chinnse they will get it done
Stop with the terminals within the city--we need through-running. Terminal points should be at the far ends of the individual branches of the commuter rail lines, because they have the space for yards and don't need to deal with a bunch of interlocking.
Commuter rail in the service of Queens and the Bronx makes sense with enough frequency/interlining of rails, but not as terminals unless it's for additional services like Triboro RX.
Stop with the terminals within the city--we need through-running. Terminal points should be at the far ends of the individual branches of the commuter rail lines, because they have the space for yards and don't need to deal with a bunch of interlocking.
Commuter rail in the service of Queens and the Bronx makes sense with enough frequency/interlining of rails, but not as terminals unless it's for additional services like Triboro RX.
The problem is that NYC commuter rail is run by different agencies with different budgets and different priorities.
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Not connecting PATH at World Trade Center to be a combined run with the 6 train terminus at City Hall.
I doubt that there is even a detailed map of PATH trains inside NYCT/MTA offices.. lol.
How much of this money has already been spent and how much and what portions of the work has been completed? Given that the opening date is at the earliest December 2022, is it too late to change this into something more useful? Can this still be altered to a stopgap of a smaller terminal underneath Grand Central with a smaller interlocking, fewer berths, and a less cavernous overall station and interlocking with fewer max trains per hour for LIRR and commit the rest of the funds to trying to burrow southwards towards downtown Manhattan and a connection to Atlantic Terminal?
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