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No one in Harlem says they’re going to the city when they go downtown, but they might say that they’re going back into the city when returning home from Brooklyn. No one from lower Manhattan says they’re going back into the city, when they leave Harlem. They simply say they’re heading back doentown. All of Manhattan is The City.
The phrase itself is from an outer borough perspective. It makes no sense for people from Manhattan to even have an opinion on it.
Just like people from the outer boroughs, if one was to travel from Staten Island to Queens, we don't say we're going to another outer borough.
So for Manhattan people to comment on this is pointless.
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Of course there is, 96 is the main wide-bodied street as a boundry where the projects start as you go North. Has nothing to do with racism, "The City" as a regional term is absolutely Manhattan south of 96
Of course there is, 96 is the main wide-bodied street as a boundry where the projects start as you go North. Has nothing to do with racism, "The City" as a regional term is absolutely Manhattan south of 96
They are lots of wide streets, and projects in the west 60s, but somehow the area south of 72nd gets to be the UWS. The only shift at 96th is demographic. There’s no other difference between west 94th and west 98th. No natural barrier, no man-made barrier, no change in architecture or neighborhood function.
I don't know why people are arguing about racism..
Even if the reasoning for demarcation at 96th St is based in racism... that doesn't change that 96th St represents the line. All this thread is about is where the line is. Not why it is what it is.
That said, times change, and 110th seems like a better line now.
They are lots of wide streets, and projects in the west 60s, but somehow the area south of 72nd gets to be the UWS. The only shift at 96th is demographic. There’s no other difference between west 94th and west 98th. No natural barrier, no man-made barrier, no change in architecture or neighborhood function.
There are not lots of wide streets, coming from midtown you have 57, 59, 72, 79, 86, 96
96 is where things change the most, has nothing to do with Spanish or Black people it's primarily about the economic activity and density
Don't beat yourself up too hard, believe it or not many hispanics do describe themselves as spanish
Oh I know. I still think it's cute though. I have a colleague who is from Spain (Catalonia region) and I'm sure he finds it funny too when people say that and they aren't from Spain.
That’s not exactly true. The southern border of New Haarlem was roughly 72nd St. That is why, even today, there is very little structural or architectural difference between Harlem and the UWS. Compare a typical Harlem apartment building with one on the upper West side, and they are roughly the same. Now compare a UWS apartment building with one on the LES. Dramatically different. The only difference between the upper West side and Harlem is demographic. Ending “the city” at 96th or 110th is ludicrous.
Ending the city at 96th is downright racist, since using 110th, you can at least use the park as a line of demarcation. There’s no nonracist reason for using 96th.
wrong, most of old Harlem was burned during the Battle of Harlem Heights. all the present architecture could be considered to be "new" as it was built around 1880-1920. and thats the reason for the similarities, both Morning side heights and the upper west were build in the same decades as most of Harlem.
when metro north was founded was called "The New York and Harlem Railroad" in 1831. Proving that still at that point in time people saw harlem as a different town than New york.
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