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Brooklyn Tech doesn't have the same stigma as the other specialized schools because its in Brooklyn
Nobody really gives a hoot about Bronx Science either
It's really Stuyvesant that's in the crosshairs over all of this.
Hard to say. I think Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech has more visual and sentimental value.
It a bit of a slap in the face to any bronx resident to know there is a prestigious school in your borough that mainly serves queens and manhattan residents. In addition, Brooklyn Tech had one of the largest black alumni base and was a source of pride within the Brooklyn black community (until the asians took over).
Hard to say. I think Bronx Science and Brooklyn Tech has more visual and sentimental value.
It a bit of a slap in the face to any bronx resident to know there is a prestigious school in your borough that mainly serves queens and manhattan residents. In addition, Brooklyn Tech had one of the largest black alumni base and was a source of pride within the Brooklyn black community (until the asians took over).
Back in the day, the bar to get into these SHS was much lower, since there were no Asian students to compete with (and also there were much less students period.) The city didn't scale SHS slots with growing all time high student population. They should've opened up a lot more SHS to keep up with the numbers if they wanted to keep the admission scores low enough. In the 90s and 2000s there was a double whammy of large numbers of East Asians and ex-communist eastern European students coming in who are good in STEM and they pretty much bumped everyone else (the natives) down.
I also wonder why there is all this uproar about the "lack of diversity" of these specialized schools only NOW, when they are 65% Asian.
What about when they were 65% WHITE several decades ago? Why was THAT not a problem??
I definitely see anti-Asian sentiment in this.
Yep. That was my precise thought. When my brother and I later on attended Stuy, caucasians were still the dominant group. Just barely but still the majority.
And De Blasio is all of a sudden putting this on the table now after his own son has successfully graduated out of B'klyn Tech.
These science/math high schools used to only be open to boys. When they were opened to girls, I don't recall any special quota to even out the student body. That just seemed to have happened naturally as cultural changes took place.
Back in the day, the bar to get into these SHS was much lower, since there were no Asian students to compete with (and also there were much less students period.) The city didn't scale SHS slots with growing all time high student population. They should've opened up a lot more SHS to keep up with the numbers if they wanted to keep the admission scores low enough. In the 90s and 2000s there was a double whammy of large numbers of East Asians and ex-communist eastern European students coming in who are good in STEM and they pretty much bumped everyone else (the natives) down.
It was "lower" from a population standpoint! When the population grew, the competition grew! Folk weren't prepared for that! But the educational and political breakdowns over the years that myself and Bronxguyanese talked about also exasperated the situation, as well....!
Not necessarily. My gripe is getting little THrockmorton Wharton and Bubbles Biddle, with the IQ's of rutabagas, get into top flight schools simply because their families can easily afford $10,000 worth of test prep
Well not only that. There is the legacy preference that exists amongst the Ivies. I remember my classmate's roommate at Columbia telling me that she only applied to two universities: Harvard & Columbia with Columbia being her "safe school". She was that sure she was going to get into Columbia because two of her sisters were either enrolled or graduated from Columbia. When you apply to Columbia, there's a section inquiring if any of your siblings are currently enrolled or graduated from the University.
So, these things have never been all that fair to begin with.
Why don't the city just revamp most schools to be at the same level as SHS. It's stupid to play a ladder game. It doesn't matter you put affirmative action to get some access to SHS that may not take advantage afterwards. Improve all schools by hiring more good teachers and update the school programs.
Well not only that. There is the legacy preference that exists amongst the Ivies. I remember my classmate's roommate at Columbia telling me that she only applied to two universities: Harvard & Columbia with Columbia being her "safe school". She was that sure she was going to get into Columbia because two of her sisters were either enrolled or graduated from Columbia. When you apply to Columbia, there's a section inquiring if any of your siblings are currently enrolled or graduated from the University.
So, these things have never been all that fair to begin with.
All the Ivies ask if you have relatives there. You gave families that have attended these universities for generations and who have donated to these universities over the generations. Example George H.W.Bush, George W. Bush and Barbara Bush (granddaughter) all attended Yale University. I knew a kid whose family had gone to Cornell for 5 generations.
It was "lower" from a population standpoint! When the population grew, the competition grew! Folk weren't prepared for that! But the educational and political breakdowns over the years that myself and Bronxguyanese talked about also exasperated the situation, as well....!
Population is only growing via foreign born immigrants while locals are leaving. So the situation is amplified with the hallowing of the middle class. Seems a bit radical to think illegal immigrants family is suppose to have the red carpet rolled out for them in both having their parents attain all the benefits of citizenship and legislate equal education outcome as an american family.
It doesn't mean you're screwed. It means you go to NYU, or some other good but non-Ivy school.
You also don't have to go to a great high school to go to a great university, but the top high schools are known quantities. Admission committees know what they're getting from a student at Stuyvesant, Hunter, Collegiate, Horace Mann etc. College counselors at these types of schools are also better equipped to prepare these applicants and advocate on their behalf.
In short these students wasted their time. Truthfully a person from the top 5 percent of any high school has a decent chance of going to any top university. Top 30% one has a good chance of getting into NYU or any second tier school. This is regardless of the high school one attends.
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