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Old 06-14-2018, 01:44 PM
 
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AFAIK, it is offered in every public school that has enough qualifying kids for a full class. Specialized high schools do not get any preferential treatment when it comes to funding, they get funded just like any other public high school.
Mr. Zero said it wasn't offered at his school, so I said if that's the case that's wrong. Though your statement with enough qualifying kids seems to confirm that.
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Old 06-14-2018, 01:45 PM
 
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I would imagine that even if you did well on the tests, most schools would still want to see it on your transcript.
Sure, but it pretty standard and common to have a two track tier system where the people who aspiring for top university take AP class and the rest of the student body does general ed. The AP exam is around $87 per student. You have to completed around 10-20 AP classes to competitive I believe.
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Old 06-14-2018, 01:46 PM
 
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Cornell only lists a specific number of units (ex. "4 of English") for admission to the college of arts and sciences, it does not list any specific courses. Admission to the Engineering school specifically requires Calculus and Physics.
We specifically had to have foreign languages (any) to get into Arts and Sciences, and you specifically had to demonstrate proficiency in one other language than English to graduate.
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Old 06-14-2018, 01:51 PM
 
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Sure, but it pretty standard and common to have a two track tier system where the people who aspiring for top university take AP class and the rest of the student body does general ed. The AP exam is around $87 per student. You have to completed around 10-20 AP classes to competitive I believe.
In my experience, there are more than two tiers: general ed, advanced, honors, AP
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Old 06-14-2018, 01:56 PM
 
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In my experience, there are more than two tiers: general ed, advanced, honors, AP
Yeah, but no one cares about the middle. The majority of students in specialized high schools go to good public state university along with students from many mediocre zoned public schools that don't require an admission test, yet here we are arguing and debating about such trivial matters.
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Old 06-14-2018, 01:59 PM
 
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Somewhat related, I came across this, which sounds like a good idea:

https://professionals.collegeboard.o...ips/nyc/ap-all

"Research shows that students who take AP courses and exams are more likely to graduate college on time; the gains are greatest for low-income students and students of color. However, nearly 40,000 New York City high school students are enrolled in schools that do not offer any AP courses today.

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The AP for All initiative, part of New York City’s Equity and Excellence agenda, will bring new AP courses to schools that offer few or no AP courses. These schools will get rigorous training for new and continuing AP teachers. The city will also help school leaders identify students who are ready for AP course work and prepare those students to address equity gaps.
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Old 06-14-2018, 02:30 PM
 
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Somewhat related, I came across this, which sounds like a good idea:

https://professionals.collegeboard.o...ips/nyc/ap-all

"Research shows that students who take AP courses and exams are more likely to graduate college on time; the gains are greatest for low-income students and students of color. However, nearly 40,000 New York City high school students are enrolled in schools that do not offer any AP courses today.

...

The AP for All initiative, part of New York City’s Equity and Excellence agenda, will bring new AP courses to schools that offer few or no AP courses. These schools will get rigorous training for new and continuing AP teachers. The city will also help school leaders identify students who are ready for AP course work and prepare those students to address equity gaps.
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Majority of students coming out of NYC high schools need remedial classes when entering college. Offering AP class to all schools is really a waste of money, but one that necessary to stop people from complaining.


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Nearly 80 percent of students entering CUNY community colleges have to take basic remediation classes, and most languish there — never earning a college degree, a new report reveals.

A staggering 78.6 percent of applicants flunked the CUNY entrance exam in fall 2010 and were told they need Rx in reading, writing or math to become capable of earning at least a C in college-level courses, reports a CUNY panel of experts who studied the problem.

What’s worse, a rising percentage of city public-school grads who go to CUNY, now 22.6 percent, need “triple remediation,” or catch-up classes in all three areas — reading, writing and math, data obtained by The Post show.
remedial class nightmare at cuny
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Old 06-14-2018, 02:37 PM
 
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Majority of students coming out of NYC high schools need remedial classes when entering college. Offering AP class to all schools is really a waste of money, but one that necessary to stop people from complaining.




remedial class nightmare at cuny
One reason why they need remedial class is poor instruction and the environment and even the attitude of the mostly white teaching staff towards immigrants and minorities.

There's multiple problems. The federal government has busted the city for failing to remove lead from NYCHA, and we know many Black and Hispanic people live in NYCHA and have health and cognitive issues from LEAD EXPOSURE.

Among poor people, malnutrition can cause cognitive issues.

Of course since such a large percentage of the African American and to a lesser degree Hispanic population is incarcerated for drug use, when whites are almost never locked up for drug use, let's just say having parents in prison and being placed in foster care does not provide the stable home environment for a child to do well.
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Old 06-14-2018, 02:42 PM
 
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Best article on the topic so far.

What’s Going On With New York’s Elite Public High Schools?








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What changed? One of the reasons there are so few black and Latino students in these schools today is because of a change that took place in the early 1990s that limited the opportunities available to high-achieving black and Latino students. New York’s elementary and middle schools are highly segregated, and until roughly three decades ago, nearly every middle school in New York City had an honors program. Kids in these programs got a great education. While black and Latino students in segregated schools may have missed out on certain educational and cultural benefits of learning alongside more white and Asian peers, these honors classes had the benefit of putting all the smart kids together so they could push each other. Many of them tested well and then ended up at a specialized high school.

But by the mid-’80s, tracking—separating students into different classes by academic ability—had fallen out of favor nationally, especially when it came to isolating students of lower ability. In the early ’90s, New York City largely did away with its tracks, including those honors programs. (There are still some honors classes offered here and there, but not nearly to the extent that they once were.) As a result, the top students at many of today’s segregated schools aren’t getting the kinds of opportunities that could launch them into a specialized high school.

Now, instead of tracking within schools, there is effectively tracking between schools, with parents vying to get their children into “good” elementary and middle schools and keep them out of the bad ones. Getting into these schools used to be a simple matter of which school’s zone a student lived in, but Mayor Michael Bloomberg, with the goal of prioritizing “school choice,” led a push to change the system so that, starting in 2004, parents could apply to schools from anywhere in the city. As a result, 40 percent of all New York City kindergarteners today go to schools other than the one they’re zoned for. This leaves “unwanted” schools under-enrolled and struggling.
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Old 06-14-2018, 02:53 PM
 
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One reason why they need remedial class is poor instruction and the environment and even the attitude of the mostly white teaching staff towards immigrants and minorities.

There's multiple problems. The federal government has busted the city for failing to remove lead from NYCHA, and we know many Black and Hispanic people live in NYCHA and have health and cognitive issues from LEAD EXPOSURE.

Among poor people, malnutrition can cause cognitive issues.

Of course since such a large percentage of the African American and to a lesser degree Hispanic population is incarcerated for drug use, when whites are almost never locked up for drug use, let's just say having parents in prison and being placed in foster care does not provide the stable home environment for a child to do well.
There is a case for reparations to black americans, however, seems a bit of a cop out to make the solution throwing them into a classroom with kids of working/middle class family origin and having them figure it out. It is also convenient that the people who set the policy and the power brokers of the society don't have to make any sacrifice. bill de blasio waited for both his kids to graduate and set the implementation date for when he is out of office. He is also the same person who tried to help NYCHA mislead the gravity of the lead exposure issue.
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