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Yep. Apparently in this country you can say racist things towards Asians and it's OK.
But let's call a spade a spade.
Carranza is a fat and lazy racist who cannot think his way out of a paper bag. His policies will be devastating if enacted but hopefully there will be a push back
Getting rid of specialized high schools and removing G&T will drive the middle class away from public schools. That's one way to really dilute our public education system. We've seen this happening in multiple locations. Remember when CUNY was seen as the poor man's Harvard? But they had to lower their admission standards because not enough black and brown folk could get in. Now the professors there complain of students who can't write beyond a 5th grade level.
Ultimately what makes a good school are the students. Has nothing to do with the school itself. Remove the entrance exam and Stuy will turn into just another subpar DOE school
Our society should not only service the lowest common denominator. The kids attending these specialized high schools are the ones who will innovate & invent, create entire industries, better society as a whole and pay a disproportionate amount in taxes. Same goes for the students attending G&T--these are the kids who will obtain professional jobs and contribute to city taxes, just like their parents are doing right now. They are worth investing in as much as the poor and low performing students.
Nobody besides maybe Asians moves to NYC for the specialized high schools
Nobody besides maybe Asians moves to NYC for the specialized high schools
That's not what I said at all. Even Asians don't move into the city for specialized high schools. That's nonsense.
Right now I know tons of middle class and upper middle class families who can access good public schools due to a combination of zoning, testing and/or through the G&T program. Once Carranza's desired policies are enacted many of them will either 1) send their kids to private schools (if they can afford it) or 2) move out of the city and into the suburbs
Ultimately, both will be bad for the NYC DOE. Both the quality of students and the test scores will drop precipitously. The amount of funding for each school will take a nosedive because many G&T programs are housed inside low-performing schools that ultimately benefit from the PTA's donation and involvement (so black and brown kids in the general classrooms benefit as well). The few good schools that are left will be watered down until all public schools in NYC are subpar at best and daycares for uneducated children at worst
That's not what I said at all. Even Asians don't move into the city for specialized high schools. That's nonsense.
Right now I know tons of middle class and upper middle class families who can access good public schools due to a combination of zoning, testing and/or through the G&T program. Once Carranza's desired policies are enacted many of them will either 1) send their kids to private schools (if they can afford it) or 2) move out of the city and into the suburbs
Ultimately, both will be bad for the NYC DOE. Both the quality of students and the test scores will drop precipitously. The amount of funding for each school will take a nosedive because many G&T programs are housed inside low-performing schools that ultimately benefit from the PTA's donation and involvement (so black and brown kids in the general classrooms benefit as well). The few good schools that are left will be watered down until all public schools in NYC are subpar at best and daycares for uneducated children at worst
Bye for those who move out.
It's not the job of public schools to provide specialized services for just two percent of the city's population.
As I've said on another thread, tracking is OPPOSED by all major GRADUATE SCHOOLS of EDUCATION, and especially an extreme major form of tracking like this.
What's sad about this forum is you have poor New Yorkers desperate to get their kids into these schools because they think that they are tickets to the Ivy League, when being in competition with other high achievers LOWERS your chances of getting in.
Universities have diversity requirements, and not just racial. They have geographic diversity (will let in students from all 50 states and from countries around the world), socioeconomic diversity, gender parity, etc.
Now that many Asians who go to these schools cannot get in Harvard, they are suing Harvard. But Harvard will just say they have geographic diversity in mind and they didn't want to let in so many people from the same school.
This guy's mouth is going to get his behind in trouble or whipped.
"City schools Chancellor Richard Carranza had a message Tuesday for activists who oppose an overhaul of the city’s specialized public high schools where Asians are a majority: You don’t own those classrooms."
Comment was completely out of line. The guy sounds unsophisticated and reckless. What the hell does "you don't own the classrooms" even mean?
The overrepresentation of Asians in these schools isn't due to them being privileged, or having received some special favor, or dumb luck. Their representation is due to their work and cultural attributes.
Instead of taking an adversarial stance toward them as though they are whinny people who have been getting an unfair advantage, he should study what it is they are doing right to outperform everyone else. That this common sense strategy never factors into the calculation of the far left when it comes to education is bewildering. If you see a group (who has NOT been given an unfair advantage) consistently perform comparatively well, you analyze their traits with the aim of transferring those attributes to the groups that are currently underperforming. This is the simple logic that their dogma is preventing. They are damning yet another generation of black kids to underperformance due to their undue aversion to acknowledging the significance of internal culture and parenting in comparative group academic achievement.
Comment was completely out of line. The guy sounds unsophisticated and reckless. What the hell does "you don't own the classrooms" even mean?
The overrepresentation of Asians in these schools isn't due to them being privileged, or having received some special favor, or dumb luck. Their representation is due to their work and cultural attributes.
Instead of taking an adversarial stance toward them as though they are whinny people who have been getting an unfair advantage, he should study what it is they are doing right to outperform everyone else. That this common sense strategy never factors into the calculation of the far left when it comes to education is bewildering. If you see a group (who has NOT been given an unfair advantage) consistently perform comparatively well, you analyze their traits with the aim of transferring those attributes to the groups that are currently underperforming. This is the simple logic that their dogma is preventing. They are damning yet another generation of black kids to underperformance due to their undue aversion to acknowledging the significance of internal culture and parenting in comparative group academic achievement.
Please name one other school district in the country that has this kind of tracking.
It's fallen out of favor in education in general, and it was going to be dismantled in NYC just like it's been dismantled throughout the rest of the country.
It's not the job of public schools to provide specialized services for just two percent of the city's population.
Cool, should we get rid of ESL classes and special needs education?
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Originally Posted by NyWriterdude
What's sad about this forum is you have poor New Yorkers desperate to get their kids into these schools because they think that they are tickets to the Ivy League, when being in competition with other high achievers LOWERS your chances of getting in.
They increase your chances of getting in. You are bad at math.
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Originally Posted by NyWriterdude
That's okay, but not at the EXPENSE of the MAJORITY of public school students. If just a FEW students are getting much better resources than others, that and of itself can lead to backlash.
But they don't. Specialized high schools are funded at the same level as all the other public high schools.
Cool, should we get rid of ESL classes and special needs education?
They increase your chances of getting in. You are bad at math.
But they don't. Specialized high schools are funded at the same level as all the other public high schools.
They don't. I attended two Ivy League schools, and know admissions officers.
Unlike those of you talking from the outside, I know ALL the ways one can get in an Ivy League and don't have to go by rumors or random articles written by people who did not attend.
As a former adult evening instructor all it takes is one uncooperative student to wreak havoc
in the classroom resulting in precious learning time taken away from those wishing to advance.
Lack of discipline and self respect comes in all ages.
I say let things take the course and when things begin to fail
do as I did. Warn him the first time, kick him out of class the second time,
and expel him the third and final time.
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