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Because public institutions should reflect the demographics of the public being served. No one demographic should be allowed to hog all of of available resources, which are clearly limited. And the current system does just that.
Again, the difference between an Asian kid who scored 99% and a Black kid who scored 91% is not huge, in terms of academics, but can be humongous in terms of other traits, e.g. leadership ability, communication skills, commitment to public service, etc. If you want to create a balanced student body, you need to consider all of these traits, and not only the academics.
You are contradicting yourself. You claim races are equal, yet complain about how the current race makeup isn't to your liking. All else being equal, why shouldn't the kids with the higher score be accepted regardless of race?
The current school system serves all students of NYC. All children are able to enter the school system regardless of demographics.
The specialized high schools are for students that have shown themselves to be exceptional. By the nature of its goal, it can't be reflective of the general public nor should it. It's quite an insult to claim students that have worked hard to earn their seat are "hogging" all the resources.
Richard Carranza and Darnisa Amante are such pieces of s--t.
They don't want to actually improve the schools so much as they just want to take stuff away from Whites and Asians and, Richard has been dumb enough to say so directly ...and still keep his job.
...then he goes and makes all White senior staff (principals, distric superintendents, et al) take a course on "Innate White Bias" training or be fired. Yes. Really.
I suppose I should be thankful, I have learned how liberals feel, cuz' I seriously hate that dirtbag (Richard Carranza) as much as liberals hate Trump...
...and it is my newfound understanding of this hatred that leads me to understand that liberals cannot be reasoned or bargained with; any inch you give them will have them demanding a mile.
That is an Intellectual pile of BS, but if that's what you believe, then bless your heart.
Government's job is to serve not rule. We fought a revolution over such.
Lol, wut?! You thought that was "Intellectual"? Bless your heart!
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there's a ton of poor asian immigrant children.
why are we trying to fix something that isn't broken? it's not the systems fault that some cultures value hard work and education over others.
all this crying over making these schools more diverse instead of merit based admission only sends the message that hard work does not pay off.
moar participation trophies!11!!
Yea, there certainly are a lot of poor asian immigrant children. I didn't say anything about participation trophies. I was saying this as adjustment for doing stellar in poor performing schools or from rough economic backgrounds. No one's disqualifying poor Asian immigrant children from this and its results within East Asia have been pretty alright. I mean, if you have far fewer resources and a cohort / peers that aren't really conducive to doing particularly, and yet you're still doing remarkably well with these handicaps, then it's a pretty good sign that there are some attributes the student has that will be do well with greater resources and a higher standard of peers.
Part of the point is this is to try to get students to do the best of their abilities and to hopefully make a contribution to society, and so this still plays well into that without having to go into particularly divisive issues or to issue "participation" trophies. This is equitable in a way that is actually pragmatic. The broken part is that there are kids with fairly great abilities and likely good habits, but not enough seats at good schools to support such. That isn't a participation trophy. After all, once the kids go into the real world, there are no participation trophies except for those wealthy enough to not have to work for a living and can remain in a nice coddled bubble.
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You are contradicting yourself. You claim races are equal, yet complain about how the current race makeup isn't to your liking. All else being equal, why shouldn't the kids with the higher score be accepted regardless of race?
Unfortunately, in the U.S., all races are not considered "equal." There's a great deal of disparity and blatant discriminatory practices.
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The current school system serves all students of NYC. All children are able to enter the school system regardless of demographics.
NYC schools are the most segregated in the country. It goes without saying that the school systems are not equal for a myriad of reasons.
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The specialized high schools are for students that have shown themselves to be exceptional. By the nature of its goal, it can't be reflective of the general public nor should it. It's quite an insult to claim students that have worked hard to earn their seat are "hogging" all the resources.
The specialized high schools are for those who've been fortunate to have access to good tutors and test preparatory classes. Students who are good at memorizing material and good test takers tend to do very well on standardized exams, while students who are not adequately prepared and do not have access to test prep classes and tutors tend to lose out.
As an aside, if I had a daughter who was preparing to enter H.S., I wouldn't want her to attend a school like Stuyvesant or Bronx School of Science, because the emphasis is on rote learning. I'd prefer that she have an opportunity to attend a private school like Brearley, for example, which emphasizes creativity and ingenuity.
Unfortunately, in the U.S., all races are not considered "equal." There's a great deal of disparity and blatant discriminatory practices.
NYC schools are the most segregated in the country. It goes without saying that the school systems are not equal for a myriad of reasons.
The specialized high schools are for those who've been fortunate to have access to good tutors and test preparatory classes. Students who are good at memorizing material and good test takers tend to do very well on standardized exams, while students who are not adequately prepared and do not have access to test prep classes and tutors tend to lose out.
As an aside, if I had a daughter who was preparing to enter H.S., I wouldn't want her to attend a school like Stuyvesant or Bronx School of Science, because the emphasis is on rote learning. I'd prefer that she have an opportunity to attend a private school like Brearley, for example, which emphasizes creativity and ingenuity.
Certainly the school system is not equal for myriad reasons, and that's something to try to fix in terms of bringing up the average for schools and students that are underperforming, but bumping academically solid students from limited slots in good schools is not a very good answer for that. Not a panacea at all, but certainly having more slots in good schools or more good schools which opens up more slots can definitely help.
Kids who are very good at rote memorization, applying it in the right instances, and can sit down long enough to do so still have very good skills there. It also doesn't necessarily mean that they do not have creativity or ingenuity as these attributes correlate with the ability to do substantial rote memorization and the ability to recognize when it applies rather than being mutually exclusive of creativity and ingenuity.
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There's an assumption that the specialized high schools themselves are inherently special. They're not. It's the caliber of the students, and how they push each other, that makes everyone better. There's nothing stopping any other school from offering dozens upon dozens of AP courses, but there needs to be a demand for them. There's nothing preventing teachers at other schools from making the coursework more difficult and challenging, but if a good percentage of the students can't handle it, what's the point?
Just to comment on "you don't own the classroom," many parents need to be told this. They think the sun shines out of their kids' ***. Parents/children are a huge reason teachers and admin professionals leave the field.
Just to comment on "you don't own the classroom," many parents need to be told this. They think the sun shines out of their kids' ***. Parents/children are a huge reason teachers and admin professionals leave the field.
True dat. However who's paying their salaries? Without checks and balances government takes over. It's the golden rule... they have the gold and they make the rules.
Be mindful of how government wishes to rule rather than serve.
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