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Old 06-07-2018, 09:11 PM
 
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Not everyone is employed, there are large numbers of people in every city who receive SSI which is $750 a month, small SS checks, unemployment or nothing at all.



Average SS payment is currently $1,294 or $1,404 per depending upon source of information. Anyone who is getting $750 likely was low income long before they retired and thus their circumstances shouldn't come as any great surprise. SS only replaces about one-third of your earnings as calculated from 35 years of highest employment wages reported.


Furthermore anyone planning and or is living just on SS alone mishandled their affairs very gravely. Social Security never was intended to be a sole source of income in "retirement" or old age, nor can it ever become so.


You're supposed to have SS and some combination of savings, investments, annuity and pension. That's how everyone I know who is retiring or retired rolled, and they largely are fine.


Problem with NYC is you have large numbers of poor who are just that their entire lives from cradle to grave. They live in rented apartments (RS, RC, NYCHA and or vouchers) thus don't have the main thing others use for retirement financing; owning a home.


That in of itself isn't a bad thing, long as you are saving and investing to plan for retirement. But a good number do not and so......
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:23 PM
 
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It’s not free. It’s reduced. I defy any of you to feed, clothe and house a family of four living in NYC for $25,000 a year.

Again some key words were said there; no one's happy behind should be having children if they cannot afford them; that is just simply a fact. It just happens to be true and studies in Europe, North America and elsewhere going back a century or more prove this fact; the largest cause of poverty comes from persons or couples having children in excess of what they can financially provide.


Anyone earning just $25k per year shouldn't even be thinking about having kids, nor should they expect the rest of us to pay out for their errors in judgment.


Now a guy who only earns $25k and is trying to provide for a wife and two kids wants his head examined. That and maybe sat down and spoken to about a few harsh facts of life.


A man who is in no financial position to support a wife and kids shouldn't be having either. Well the wife is possible long as she is going out to work, but children are O-W-T until things improve.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:27 PM
 
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I looooooooooooove De Blasio. GOOD!


Read the OP link, this has little to do with Bill de Boob; more like that some kind of speaker of city council (and its members) than anything else.


Corey Johnson is setting himself up to run for mayor in 2021 since he along with nearly all of the CC will be term limited out at end of this term. BdeB is a lame duck and will hold out long as possible to counter any charges he is what he is; a bleeding heart/tax and spend liberal. Things like that go over well in New York or California, but not the huge swath of USA known as "fly over country", which is where BdeB needs votes if his (rumored) run for WH is to succeed.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:33 PM
 
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Average SS payment is currently $1,294 or $1,404 per depending upon source of information. Anyone who is getting $750 likely was low income long before they retired and thus their circumstances shouldn't come as any great surprise. SS only replaces about one-third of your earnings as calculated from 35 years of highest employment wages reported.
Furthermore anyone planning and or is living just on SS alone mishandled their affairs very gravely. Social Security never was intended to be a sole source of income in "retirement" or old age, nor can it ever become so.
You're supposed to have SS and some combination of savings, investments, annuity and pension. That's how everyone I know who is retiring or retired rolled, and they largely are fine.
Problem with NYC is you have large numbers of poor who are just that their entire lives from cradle to grave. They live in rented apartments (RS, RC, NYCHA and or vouchers) thus don't have the main thing others use for retirement financing; owning a home.

That in of itself isn't a bad thing, long as you are saving and investing to plan for retirement. But a good number do not and so......
SSI - Supplemental Security Income, a federal program for the disabled/elderly/blind who are ineligible for Social Security and have no other income, the monthly stipend is $750.

And miss me with the poor shaming/poor blaming there are poor people all over the US and all this crap about poor money management or bad planning doesn't do squat to change their situation. Low wage workers have trouble saving for emergencies let alone their retirement.
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Harlem, NY
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Read the OP link, this has little to do with Bill de Boob; more like that some kind of speaker of city council (and its members) than anything else.


Corey Johnson is setting himself up to run for mayor in 2021 since he along with nearly all of the CC will be term limited out at end of this term. BdeB is a lame duck and will hold out long as possible to counter any charges he is what he is; a bleeding heart/tax and spend liberal. Things like that go over well in New York or California, but not the huge swath of USA known as "fly over country", which is where BdeB needs votes if his (rumored) run for WH is to succeed.
NO

Your whole post is full of misinformation, and this is why...

The fair fares program, was spearheaded by the RIDERS ALLIANCE and DE BLASIO. It gained traction in the Council, Johnson is just advocating for it, but it wasn’t STARTED by him. He’s not the face of this. DE BLASIO took it up in Albany with Cuomo and Lhota (MTA) for funding. Because other cities already have a program like it, and a high number of minorities are being trumped up on criminal charges for just hopping the train, the government is now like hey, maybe we should cut the fare in half so there isn’t a excuse to hop the train or bus, and we don’t have to process this bulls*** in court anymore
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Old 06-07-2018, 09:58 PM
 
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Anyone earning just $25k per year shouldn't even be thinking about having kids, nor should they expect the rest of us to pay out for their errors in judgment.


Now a guy who only earns $25k and is trying to provide for a wife and two kids wants his head examined. That and maybe sat down and spoken to about a few harsh facts of life.
Poor have a right to have a family, plenty are fine with welfare programs and housing programs, can't stop nature from evolving

they seem well off better than who earn 100k
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Old 06-07-2018, 10:17 PM
 
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Hey Id rather people pay something then nothing at all.
They are not paying for it....you are
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Old 06-07-2018, 10:23 PM
 
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They are not paying for it....you are
They only make money. Most busses are empty yet need to drive the same route each day anyhow.
My sister is a bus driver. If her town decided to give discount passes, they'd only make $$.
Problem is it's a rich town so they don't need the poor people's $$, even at a discount
Their busses are quite cushy compared to most...it's one of the few ways the poor can get out of the 110 degree heat
due to the excellent A/C
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Old 06-07-2018, 10:30 PM
 
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NO

Your whole post is full of misinformation, and this is why...

The fair fares program, was spearheaded by the RIDERS ALLIANCE and DE BLASIO. It gained traction in the Council, Johnson is just advocating for it, but it wasn’t STARTED by him. He’s not the face of this. DE BLASIO took it up in Albany with Cuomo and Lhota (MTA) for funding. Because other cities already have a program like it, and a high number of minorities are being trumped up on criminal charges for just hopping the train, the government is now like hey, maybe we should cut the fare in half so there isn’t a excuse to hop the train or bus, and we don’t have to process this bulls*** in court anymore

I don't give an eff who started what with who; fact remains BdeB is out of office in three years and *CANNOT* run for re-election. Thus it is no skin off his behind politically if he does not approve yet more taxpayer money shoveled out in yet another Robin Hood scam.


Who stands to win? Corey Johnson and or any of the city council members (current) who will be term limited out in 2021 and thus are looking over their shoulders for next political gig.


OTOH if Big Bird does go along with this scheme he can add it to his long list of high cost but popular liberal/progressive achievements that while spending this city into the poor house are popular with people like *you*.
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Old 06-07-2018, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Bronx
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The thing is this. In NYC, their is a mutual relationship with the rich and the poor. The poor serves the rich, while those with a college degree and so forth who works for their wasp and Jewish massa's are agents of their organization including I. With that said, this MetroCard idea is a good one. If the poor cant get to work, are the rich and the agents of the rich going to clean up aisles at wholefood when an organic sustainable, farm to table, fair trade, gluten free, vagina vegan, labeled in the Bronx, bottled in Brooklyn bottle of pasta sauce falls to the floor? Who's going to pick that up? Some Transplant with a degree for Stanford? No
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