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I was speaking in the context of NYC and not the entire country. The majority of the depiction of white homeless is California (San Francisco being the most common) where the climate is nicer. NYC is dirty and the weather is a lot harsher.
No. Putting all homeless people in poor neighborhoods concentrates poverty and creates disaster for the city. Spread services and shelters throughout the city, including rich neighborhoods like this.
This should be no big deal. Homeless sleep and panhandle all over the city.
So one way or another they will still have homeless.
Normally I'd agree that shelters and low income housing should be spread out, look no further than the giant danger zones of failed housing projects in countries like France for an example of what happens when poverty is isolated into mini cities.
I'll agree in theory but in practice putting poverty alongside affluence and it becomes damn annoying. The reality of the NYC shelter system is they provide basic food and housing against inclement weather but the beneficiaries then get kicked out on the street by day to "find productive work" or something. Now we have dozens or hundreds of bums milling around the billion dollar row sleeping on sidewalks, begging for money, pissing in corners, and shouting incoherent nonsense.
This trend is everyday life around me, something I would have had second thoughts about if I really paid attention to my surroundings while apartment hunting. There is an state services/SS office in the base of my building plus a small public park next door. Every morning there are dozens of downtrodden individuals squatting around waiting for the park & office to open. On trash days these vagrants will tear open bags leaving the street littered in filth. Walking out at 5AM to start my commute I'll get the danger vibe as a dozen squatters sit and stare, sometimes one or two will shuffle behind me asking for change. I don't think paying $3,500 a month should qualify me for the lap of luxury but it shouldn't mean I worry for my safety everything I walk outside in the wee hours.
Honestly I'm not sure what to do, perhaps instead of shelters just provide one way bus tickets to sunny California. Part of the problem seems to be the old adage about feeding fish vs teaching to fish. NY provides the fish but doesn't put the effort into teaching the homeless how to get out of poverty and enforcement to cut them off if they become content just leeching off the system.
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It's also not fair to dump all these shelters into less prosperous neighborhoods while keeping them out of the rich ones.
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Originally Posted by NyWriterdude
No. Putting all homeless people in poor neighborhoods concentrates poverty and creates disaster for the city. Spread services and shelters throughout the city, including rich neighborhoods like this.
This should be no big deal. Homeless sleep and panhandle all over the city.
So one way or another they will still have homeless.
That's right... Dump them in expensive neighborhoods where they can't afford anything to eat...
In the ghetto they can get by better... Cheaper options.
They can panhandle those millionaires and billionaires.
LOL @ that article. This homeless lady needs to get her priorities straight. 2 kids and another on the way. I wonder where the daddy or daddies of those are kids are. Certain people need Big Brother to monitor and dictate what to do in their lives.
"Homeless mom Leeyen Riggon, who is eight-months pregnant, said she and her two daughters, ages 2 and 6. My room is one bed, no microwave, no refrigerator, and I am sleeping on the bed with my two kids,” said Riggon, 25. “It’s just terrible being here. I don’t get treated like a human; I am treated like I’m in jail.”
Why does it make sense to put poor homeless people in the most expensive area in the city. Everything cost more from food to water. It’s all about “fairness” then it is about something making actual sense long term.
You are supposed to put homeless where they can build a better life and have the services to excel. You put them in the middle of manhattan, where will they find a place to live permanently in the same area. It’s impossible
Being near public transportation should be the priority, that’s it. They actually need to stop building temporary shelters and focus on permanent housing
There are lots of jobs and medical services nearby. If they need education there’s a lot of schools nearby. All NYC neighborhoods need to share some of the burden of housing the homeless.
In the ghetto they can get by better... Cheaper options.
Me. Ryu just pointed out Midtown is an excellent place to panhandle. Manhattan is a wonderful place to dumpster dive. All they have to do is clean up and there are a lot of nearby restaurants that need employees.
Normally I'd agree that shelters and low income housing should be spread out, look no further than the giant danger zones of failed housing projects in countries like France for an example of what happens when poverty is isolated into mini cities.
I'll agree in theory but in practice putting poverty alongside affluence and it becomes damn annoying. The reality of the NYC shelter system is they provide basic food and housing against inclement weather but the beneficiaries then get kicked out on the street by day to "find productive work" or something. Now we have dozens or hundreds of bums milling around the billion dollar row sleeping on sidewalks, begging for money, pissing in corners, and shouting incoherent nonsense.
This trend is everyday life around me, something I would have had second thoughts about if I really paid attention to my surroundings while apartment hunting. There is an state services/SS office in the base of my building plus a small public park next door. Every morning there are dozens of downtrodden individuals squatting around waiting for the park & office to open. On trash days these vagrants will tear open bags leaving the street littered in filth. Walking out at 5AM to start my commute I'll get the danger vibe as a dozen squatters sit and stare, sometimes one or two will shuffle behind me asking for change. I don't think paying $3,500 a month should qualify me for the lap of luxury but it shouldn't mean I worry for my safety everything I walk outside in the wee hours.
Honestly I'm not sure what to do, perhaps instead of shelters just provide one way bus tickets to sunny California. Part of the problem seems to be the old adage about feeding fish vs teaching to fish. NY provides the fish but doesn't put the effort into teaching the homeless how to get out of poverty and enforcement to cut them off if they become content just leeching off the system.
California would offer one way bus tickets back. And you cannot force people to leave, nor can you prevent them from returning.
Me. Ryu just pointed out Midtown is an excellent place to panhandle. Manhattan is a wonderful place to dumpster dive. All they have to do is clean up and there are a lot of nearby restaurants that need employees.
As long as it's cash under the table, that's true. But you can't get a job where taxes are taken out etc. if you don't have an address.
California would offer one way bus tickets back. And you cannot force people to leave, nor can you prevent them from returning.
Limit the handouts and those that want to spend a lifetime taking handouts will leave.
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