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Old 07-26-2018, 04:39 PM
 
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For all the moaning people seem to forget that the state did NYC a favor by taking over NYCTA back in the 1970's.


City was bankrupt and more to the point couldn't do any better job of maintaining and or otherwise running the system (and paying for it) than the private companies it had booted out several years before.


Much of this lies in the fact for political reasons city blocked both private operators and then later itself from raising fares anywhere near where levels required.


BdeB, Corey Johnson and city council would pee in their pants if the state called their bluff and handed NYCTA back.
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Old 07-26-2018, 04:41 PM
 
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And heaven forbid there should be any form of constructive review to determine what labor expenses could be reduced...

In case you've forgotten labor at MTA (at least for NYCTA) is union, and this state and city are beholden to various groups of that nature.


Go ahead, have all the "constructive reviews" you want of MTA labor costs, but unless or until you get a governor and other politicians with some balls, nothing much will happen.
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Old 07-26-2018, 04:47 PM
 
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And heaven forbid there should be any form of constructive review to determine what labor expenses could be reduced...
Remember the 200 phantom workers that were getting paid but no one knew their job duties.. LOL

The budget showed that 900 workers were being paid to dig caverns for the platforms as part of a 3.5-mile tunnel connecting the historic station to the Long Island Rail Road. But the accountant could only identify about 700 jobs that needed to be done, according to three project supervisors. Officials could not find any reason for the other 200 people to be there.

“Nobody knew what those people were doing, if they were doing anything,” said Michael Horodniceanu, who was then the head of construction at the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which runs transit in New York.


http://www.theamericanconservative.c...omment-page-1/

https://www.businessinsider.com/some...rojects-2018-1

I want to work for the MTA. "The Times found that one union ensured most of its workers were paid $111 an hour in salary and benefits. And in some cases, construction projects in New York were staffed by up to four times as many workers as for similar projects in Asia, Australia, and Europe."
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Old 07-26-2018, 04:57 PM
 
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Remember the 200 phantom workers that were getting paid but no one knew their job duties.. LOL

The budget showed that 900 workers were being paid to dig caverns for the platforms as part of a 3.5-mile tunnel connecting the historic station to the Long Island Rail Road. But the accountant could only identify about 700 jobs that needed to be done, according to three project supervisors. Officials could not find any reason for the other 200 people to be there.

“Nobody knew what those people were doing, if they were doing anything,” said Michael Horodniceanu, who was then the head of construction at the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which runs transit in New York.

The NYC Subway Ripoff | The American Conservative

https://www.businessinsider.com/some...rojects-2018-1

I want to work for the MTA. "The Times found that one union ensured most of its workers were paid $111 an hour in salary and benefits. And in some cases, construction projects in New York were staffed by up to four times as many workers as for similar projects in Asia, Australia, and Europe."


Construction of infrastructure is another thing all together. While yes costs are a hot mess, remember by taking federal funds in any amount the MTA must abide by a vast and bewildering array of wage and other labor laws.


Does everyone get their taste? Yes, that still goes on.


https://www.dol.gov/general/aboutdol/majorlaws
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Old 07-26-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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So subway fare will be $2.86? That's weeeird.
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Old 07-26-2018, 06:31 PM
 
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So subway fare will be $2.86? That's weeeird.

Yeah, why not just make it an even $3 and get it over with.


Can see it now; all those old geezers and others with their change purses/wallets counting out quarters, nickels, dimes and pennies to make $2.86
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Old 07-26-2018, 06:35 PM
 
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Then you have stuff like this which goes a long way to explaining much of what is wrong with MTA: Is The MTA's 'State Of Emergency' Being Used To Push Through Non-Emergency Projects?: Gothamist
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Old 07-26-2018, 06:42 PM
 
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Yeah, why not just make it an even $3 and get it over with.
Don't say that! Now, that's too much. I know there's only a 14 cent difference but psychologically 2.86 just sounds better. Plus, it all goes on credit card anyway so it doesn't much matter to me.
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Old 07-26-2018, 06:43 PM
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In case you've forgotten labor at MTA (at least for NYCTA) is union, and this state and city are beholden to various groups of that nature.


Go ahead, have all the "constructive reviews" you want of MTA labor costs, but unless or until you get a governor and other politicians with some balls, nothing much will happen.
I am well aware of the black hand that controls everything, I was being sarcastic....
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Old 07-27-2018, 01:10 AM
 
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And heaven forbid there should be any form of constructive review to determine what labor expenses could be reduced...
They've already done such reviews. The MTA for example when building future phases of the Second Avenue Subway could build both tunnel and station with tunnel boring machine. If this construction method would use, it would be simpler to put in platform, escalators, elevators, and stairwell. The Second Avenue stations with huge mezzanines take a lot more time, meaning a lot more workers. Simply better utilization of machinery like I just described could save the MTA a lot of money.

MTA recently rented out a lot of space in 59th Street-Columbus Circle to various businesses. This could be done in more stations to make more money. Every cent counts.

Commuter railroad stations in Spain do not have ticket guys checking the tickets on the train. All stations have gates and one cannot leave the station until the machine scans one's ticket and verifies one has paid. The MTA could use this to get rid of the ticket collectors on the Metro-North and LIRR.

The MTA smartphone app, along with contact wireless cards should ultimately get rid of commuter railroad ticket salesmen.
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