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Btw, the improvements to those terminals are very much airport improvements and they do indeed affect the experiences of travelers and these are real problems.
As for the rest, come up with a way to pay for it. People here love to be experts on everything ,especially when they complain but nobody has viable solutions.
I said it before, and I'll say it again-
LIPSTICK on a PIG.
JFK and LGA are still going to be second rate airports, nowhere near world class.
13 Billion Dollars is a way to pay for it.
SLC is getting a new terminal with facilities for 3 Billion.
Tampa is expanding its terminal and airspace for 1 billion.
Orlando is getting a 2.1 Billion Dollar Terminal that will chain it to Commuter Rail and a Miami Spur- will likely add 60-120 gates.
Miami is renovating their concourses for 1.5 Billion.
JFK is not the be all end all. It has 128 gates. It's barely bigger than Orlando and smaller than Miami International.
It's renovation will cost more than the addition of over 100 gates added, and hundreds renovated across the country.
I gave my suggestion already.
Landfill between LGA and Rikers and create a state of the art airport that is within reach of 3 boroughs.
JFK isn't worth investing in without a contribution of a dedicated transit service from the MTA- which as we all know isn't happening because MTA is a garbage agency. AirTrain was TOO little, TOO late. Took 40 years from proposal to completion, and at $2,000,000,000 will never break even.
I'd also propose a Spur from North White Plains Metronorth to HPN/Westchester Airport.
That is your cheapest solution to a single seat from GCT to an airport that is continuing growth. 40 Minute ride. Sounds good.
The Rockaway Beach LIRR study (results not released YET, study results ongoing and delayed) would basically have the LIRR for from Grand Central or Penn Station, on the mainline, on the reactivated portion of the abandoned Rockaway Beach LIRR to the A line (the A train runs on the Southern portion of the Rockaway Beach LIRR to Howards Beach and the Rockaways) to Howard Beach and then JFK via the Airtrain.
To do this the MTA and the Port Authority would have to buy trains capable of running on the LIRR, the subway, and the Airtrain. This can be done, but they'd have to do the study to do it before ordering the trains and obviously the physical track work and line restoration would have to take place.
It will happen eventually. Whether it happens in enough time to do us good (before we die of old age) is the question, but it will happen.
Right now the MTA is prioritizing future phases of the Second Avenue Subway, Metro North to Penn Station, and LIRR to Grand Central. The Port Authority is prioritizing the Airport upgrades, and Airtrain to LGA.
After the elections are over, we can see what Cuomo is able to do. Being that Resorts World by 2020 or so will be allowed to be a full service casino, perhaps the gambling industry and the hotel industry can put up some of the money for Rockaway Beach LIRR activation and an one train ride to Manhattan.
NYC is having to upgrade its subway system. They added countdown clocks, added a massive order of new trains, among other upgrades.
Yes NYC does have to compete with other cities, especially when attracting people with money. It’s not just about people coming, it’s about quality productive people who can contribute to the city’s overall economy.
If it weren’t for the competitive natures of people like Cuomo, Bloomberg, Giuliani, and De Blasio NYC would be a cesspool rivaling Detroit or worse.
Just because those people were in power does not mean they did a good or even adequate job in terms of actual governing or leadership to the benefit of the people they were elected to serve. It only means they were successful in campaigning and getting elected within the system better than their rivals at the time.
A modern airport is a good idea, but Cuomo’s big modernization plans seem to always spend a gargantuan amount of money relative to projects in this country and other developed countries, lool like they were designed from an inert modern designs manual, and most importantly, generally add no actual substantiatice improvement. Of course airports around the world put some effort into looking nicer when they are doing a major renovation, but that also usually comes with actually doing something with the infrastructure itself like adding runways and gates or adding infrastructure connections. This does none of that. And in LaGuardia’s case, they opted for some of the dumbest infrastructure addition they could by doing an out-of-the-way for most people people new people mover system that serves near the tail end of a busy subway station and a somewhat short commuter rail line, and then also without making any new improvements or extensions to either of those.
Just because those people were in power does not mean they did a good or even adequate job in terms of actual governing or leadership to the benefit of the people they were elected to serve. It only means they were successful in campaigning and getting elected within the system better than their rivals at the time.
A modern airport is a good idea, but Cuomo’s big modernization plans seem to always spend a gargantuan amount of money relative to projects in this country and other developed countries, lool like they were designed from an inert modern designs manual, and most importantly, generally add no actual substantiatice improvement. Of course airports around the world put some effort into looking nicer when they are doing a major renovation, but that also usually comes with actually doing something with the infrastructure itself like adding runways and gates or adding infrastructure connections. This does none of that. And in LaGuardia’s case, they opted for some of the dumbest infrastructure addition they could by doing an out-of-the-way for most people people new people mover system that serves near the tail end of a busy subway station and a somewhat short commuter rail line, and then also without making any new improvements or extensions to either of those.
It's not like the KNOW IT ALL experts on City Data have any viable ways of doing anything better than Cuomo or any of the other politicians I just mentioned. The "experts" are are truly experts when it comes to complaining and nothing else.
It's not like the KNOW IT ALL experts on City Data have any viable ways of doing anything better than Cuomo or any of the other politicians I just mentioned. The "experts" are are truly experts when it comes to complaining and nothing else.
There is no evidence to support that the elected leaders necessarily know better. It’s not just that know-it-all experts on city-data are decrying how ineffectual leadership in NYC are—it’s actual people working in the industry who have tried to look at projects in the city who also have issues with what’s been done. This usually takes the form of looking at like projects domestically and abroad for comparison. It is also investigations of our projects where there is even a modicum of transparency where things look like they’ve gone awry. For example, look at the hundreds of people that were found to be on the East Side Access payroll who apparently had no job description and no evidence of any work done by them. Or how about the fact that our tunnel boring machine crews were almost three times the size of those for similar projects and essentially the same machines being operated as those in developed western countries. This is not just a fair wage / unionized labor thing, because it’s not like unionized labor does not exist in other countries or the working conditions in NYC are so much better than those of other wealthy, developed countries. No one is advocating for not paying a fair wage and even provisions like building and sourcing in New York state, while more expensive, still at least have the intended silver lining of recirculating money within the state and the capital expensive of creating those factories can be amortized over multiple projects.
Instead, those are straighforward examples of waste, and the ones that were actually caught and documented which doesn’t mean there wasn’t more. It is essentially an ineffective monitoring process that lacks adequate transparency and repercussions. Added to that are the actual projects themselves and how they are piecemeal and generally poorly thought out plans acted upon when there were certainly better options (like doing the massive new interlocking and terminal berths deep underground for LIRR instead of adapting a pair of lower level Metro-North tracks or a simple island platform level with through-running to Atlantic terminal which would have been operationally more efficient, less costly, and have made LIRR far more useful to current and future riders).
A year or two ago. I befriended an individual who designed airports and transportation terminals. The reason why nyc transportation sucks is due to the beaudcracy of Port authority, mta and the dot. All three make the airports unusable and a mess to get too. He helped design Beijing and Mexico City world class airports. Both are world cities. NYC is a world city. But it's transportation hubs are dysfunctional like a 3rd world country. NYC hubs will remain 3rd world for the forcible future.
It's not like the KNOW IT ALL experts on City Data have any viable ways of doing anything better than Cuomo or any of the other politicians I just mentioned. The "experts" are are truly experts when it comes to complaining and nothing else.
So... what are you saying today?
If no one else is capable of financing and building a better airport, don't complain about it?
Plenty of experts aren't good at their jobs.
Government agencies often make a ton of mistakes in planning and in who they hire... how often do you see them admit to this?
Ontop of that, when funding is available- government tends to spend rather than save.
Obama and his administration funded public transit projects and trains like the Music City Star, and SunRail which are hemorrhaging money- but Governors wouldn't pass up on a free cash infusion that would kick the problem can down the road.
Cuomo, The MTA, and the Port Authority are barely in check by anyone.
Joe Biden made a negative comment about LGA which was rightfully given, but aviation buffs are aware the real tragedy of JFK and LGA isn't in the cosmetics but the poor runway qualities, and poor transit options.
This plan is INCREDIBLY expensive with little payout, and does not make JFK a world class airport.
Want JFK to be a World Class airport.
Give Trump Naming rights.
Actually, no. Cities like NYC have to compete with cities with modern facilities. A lot of people on this forum don't really travel, but travel to more cities and you'll understand why the city spends money on facilities and on certain other things.
Agreed. I've traveled to much smaller and poorer countries that had airports that blew JFK, and especially LGA, out of the water. It's embarrassing
A year or two ago. I befriended an individual who designed airports and transportation terminals. The reason why nyc transportation sucks is due to the beaudcracy of Port authority, mta and the dot. All three make the airports unusable and a mess to get too. He helped design Beijing and Mexico City world class airports. Both are world cities. NYC is a world city. But it's transportation hubs are dysfunctional like a 3rd world country. NYC hubs will remain 3rd world for the forcible future.
That's a big part of the problem right there. Three different authorities, different missions and budgets, with decision-makers at the behest of politicians who got their positions through the support of those who use their money to influence power.
I know a lot of people who design airports and transportation terminals, too. They are all waiting and listening and trying to get information as to what part of what project is going to happen when.
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