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i hope they don't decide to charge the store owner since no weapon or life threatening attack was made . that would suck but in the eyes of the law things are rarely black and white , just different shades of gray . so far he was not charged .
don't forget you can also be cleared criminally but a civil suit by the victim's family is another issue . he only attempted to take your money which may have ended up a petty larceny with no weapon , you threatened his life and then killed him .
how would you like to have to spend 50-100k on a civil suit defense ? that can really suck
Nah. No charges filed. Self defense, cops questioned and released him
A Bronx supermarket owner shot dead a man who tried to rob his store Sunday night, police sources said.
The robber, 32, tried at 10:30 p.m. to stick up the J Market on Morrison Ave. near E. 172nd St. in Soundview, said sources.
He walked up to the counter and demanded money, but was refused, said sources.
When the crook then tried to jump the counter, the store’s owner, 43-year-old Jin Jie Chen, shot him in the head, said sources.
It wasn’t clear if the bandit was armed.
Police learned of the incident from a 911 call. The man was “unconscious and unresponsive" when officers arrived, cops said.
“He was shot in the face. You could see the guy hunched over, laying on the counter," said a man who worked at a nearby bodega.
"There was blood all over, and you could see it all over his face, but he was dead," the bodega worker said.
Medics took the man to Jacobi Medical Center, but he couldn’t be saved. Police have not released his name.
Cops brought Chen to the 43rd Precinct for questioning, police said.
Though the investigation was still underway, as of early Monday, police believed Chen owned the gun legally, said sources.
“It’s a crazy neighborhood ... People are getting killed a lot out here,” said the bodega worker.
Sad outcome but there is a message for all you would be thugs.
You better think twice before playing games in your neighborhood
and think that much harder when you are in someone else's.
If you want to play games, go to the park.
Once someone shows intent to commit robbery, to me that means they've shown intent to cause physical harm, either if it's needed in order to get what they want, or just because they're unstable and violent (not unreasonable assumptions about someone committing a crime). Therefore, the use of a weapon to protect yourself in such a case is completely justified in my opinion.
Yes Harlem I didn't know further lawsuits followed. We both lived in Lenox Terrace and I would always see her when she took her dog on walks. I just found out she passed away in 2016.
Wait this happened in Lenox Terrace? I used to live there/
Once someone shows intent to commit robbery, to me that means they've shown intent to cause physical harm, either if it's needed in order to get what they want, or just because they're unstable and violent (not unreasonable assumptions about someone committing a crime). Therefore, the use of a weapon to protect yourself in such a case is completely justified in my opinion.
Opinions and laws are two different things . You can be in trouble in New York as an example if someone attempts to rob you with a knife on the street and you shot them while you had an escape route to safety as an option, in the opinion of law enforcement or the prosecutor
If it was a gun it would be different than a knife . You can’t safely flee a gun.
They may intend to do you harm in both cases but they can end very differently if the prosecutor feels you had a choice.
I have have taken quite a few combat training courses. One of the things they teach you is to take a match book and put a few singles wrapped around it with rubber bands so it looks like a wad of bills .
When you hit a nasty situation you can flip it pretty far . The idea being you tell the bad guys you don’t want any trouble and here buy the guys some beers on me and fling it as far as you can . Odds are they will go after the money leaving you free to run . YES ,FREE TO RUN . if not it looks good in court that you even tried to buy them off before you opened fire.
Ny has no stand your ground law so you are expected to take a safe way out of the situation if it is deemed there was one . That does not apply in your dwelling
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About the only place you can do it with a good chance of not being prosecuted is in your dwelling or business .out on the street each situation has got its own investigation and issues.
Ayoob was involved in a case where a small woman was attacked by two men . They attempted to rob her . They had no weapons . They just over powered her .
Well she was armed and shot both men . Now the question came up as to whether after she neutralized the first guy did she still have the right to shoot the second or was the force disparity not as great anymore and no longer required lethal force .
These are all the kinds of grey areas that always come up
NY’s self-defense laws are not as bad as Mathjak makes them out to seem. We’ve gone through this before. There’s no such thing as “eye for an eye” or a requirement to use a similar weapon. If you reasonably believe that yourself or another person are about to sustain serious physical injury or death, and you cannot retreat or are in your own home, you can use DPF in NY to stop that from happening.
As for lawsuits, blame tort law and scum lawyers who abuse the free-for-all lawsuit system. And Cuomo for banning shooting insurance, which is a thing, but illegal in anti-Constitution New York.
As for the perp, “well, bye.”
Always good to see a lawful citizen shoot dead a degenerate who exists simply to prey off of good people!
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