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The MTA is now working on phase 2 of the Second Avenue Subway, and will eventually do phases 3 and 4. LIRR is being built to Grand Central, Metro North to Penn Station, and an Airtrain to LGA. The city needs transit expansion, period.
I don't disagree with that. My take is that this doesn't have to take the form of an overly expensive underground expansion, which costs many times what it does to build similar systems in Germany and other parts of Europe.
So let transit riders, who use the service, pay for this. Don't rip off drivers.
NYC was a transit oriented city before you were born and we’ll be transit oriented after you’re dead. Leave the metro area if you cannot deal with that.
I don't disagree with that. My take is that this doesn't have to take the form of an overly expensive underground expansion, which costs many times what it does to build similar systems in Germany and other parts of Europe.
The expense is mostly the station length mezzanines. All they have to do to cut costs is not to build those mezzanines, or to not to build them second length. But yes, transit expansion is important in the form of more train service.
The expense is mostly the station length mezzanines. All they have to do to cut costs is not to build those mezzanines, or to not to build them second length. But yes, transit expansion is important in the form of more train service.
Even if they cut down on station length mezzanines, it would still be ridiculously expensively. I advocate for increased bus service and bus only transit lanes. Increased subway lines/tracks aren't necessary and shouldn't be a serious option at the cost we are seeing.
Even if they cut down on station length mezzanines, it would still be ridiculously expensively. I advocate for increased bus service and bus only transit lanes. Increased subway lines/tracks aren't necessary and shouldn't be a serious option at the cost we are seeing.
They are very necessary. A massive increase in buses interferes with traffic and bus only lanes takes up space. Other cities around the world increase their subway service and NYC has to complete with these other cities for tourist dollars, for students, and residents.
Governments are not households and there’s no reason for them to penny pinch.
They are very necessary. A massive increase in buses interferes with traffic and bus only lanes takes up space. Other cities around the world increase their subway service and NYC has to complete with these other cities for tourist dollars, for students, and residents.
Governments are not households and there’s no reason for them to penny pinch.
Traffic already sucks. By making more dedicated bus lanes/increasing the number of buses, however, you're making traffic suck for less people/those who decide to use mass transit.
NYC is going to be just fine if we don't expand the subway. Tourists aren't going to stop coming, students will still flock to attend our universities, and folks will always want to live here.
Traffic already sucks. By making more dedicated bus lanes/increasing the number of buses, however, you're making traffic suck for less people/those who decide to use mass transit.
NYC is going to be just fine if we don't expand the subway. Tourists aren't going to stop coming, students will still flock to attend our universities, and folks will always want to live here.
And the MTA is still going to expand train service, and arguing against it is moot. If NYC politicians didn’t ignore peoooe most of the time the city would be wilderness.
And the MTA is still going to expand train service, and arguing against it is moot. If NYC politicians didn’t ignore peoooe most of the time the city would be wilderness.
And I am still going to express my displeasure about the decision/call for smarter use of resources.
But there are a lot of drivers, especially if you count suburban NY drivers who come into the city, if they get pissed off enough to organize, they could put a big hurt on the MTA's finances.
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Originally Posted by NyWriterdude
NYC was a transit oriented city before you were born and we’ll be transit oriented after you’re dead. Leave the metro area if you cannot deal with that.
I don't disagree with that. My take is that this doesn't have to take the form of an overly expensive underground expansion, which costs many times what it does to build similar systems in Germany and other parts of Europe.
I remember back in the late 70's they had just completed these sets of buildings at 125th st and Second ave.
They were constructed with the understanding of the second avenue subway link up very very soon.
Fast forward 2018.......................what......almost 50 years and we are only in phase two of the second avenue tunnel?
Hmmmmmmmmmm...............
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