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Old 12-23-2018, 06:00 PM
 
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I'm assuming that the feds can do this because NYCHA receives massive federal funding?? Otherwise, this seems like federal overreach to me.


Another way to look at it is " one can only scrape so much from the bottom of the barrel till told it's empty."
Sounds like NYCHA to me......................
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:01 PM
 
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The city should got the other direction. Just dump NYCHA on the Feds, and walk away from it.


Dangerous move. They'll bring in private inspectors to condemn, demolish,displace.
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:03 PM
 
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They are doing that slowly. But partially privatizing NYCHA, and converting the units to Section 8 housing, that is dumping NYCHA funding on the feds as Section 8 is a federal program.

I assume the Trump administration actions will really just push the city to complete privatization.


That's the goal.
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:04 PM
 
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I hate that I am going to say this but... I wouldn't be mad at private investors or developers managing NYCHA. I can see NYCHA becoming nicer again, like the days when working families were allowed in and everyone else was not because this was changed due to "discrimination." Perhaps it might help with crime.


I believe that when you are busy working you have no time for crime.
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:15 PM
 
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"Massive" is subjective. But, while the federal government may condition funding on certain behavior by states as a means of encouraging states to behave in a certain way, the federal government may not require that states, etc., enforce federal policy. That would be commandeering of the states by the federal government, which the Supreme Court has explicitly ruled that the 10th Amendment prohibits. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._United_States and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy...ic_Association

Note, even though the federal government may decide to not fund states, etc., if they fail to adhere to certain federal standards/laws/etc., the amount of money at issue cannot be so significant as to coerce the states to behave in a certain way for fear of losing that money. Under such circumstances, the feds run into the same commandeering problem. Take a look at the NIFB v. Sebelius (Obamacare) case for a somewhat recent example of this, where the Supreme Court held that the threat of losing Medicaid funding if the states didn't expand Medicaid was unduly coercive and struck the law's requirement to expand Medicaid or risk losing such funds. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...caid_expansion
Did you bother to read entire Wikipedia piece?


"As for the Medicaid expansion, that portion of the Affordable Care Act violates the Constitution by threatening existing Medicaid funding. Congress has no authority to order the States to regulate according to its instructions. Congress may offer the States grants and require the States to comply with accompanying conditions, but the States must have a genuine choice whether to accept the offer."


HUD grants for housing are just that; local governments requesting such funding are aware (or should be) of conditions regarding acceptance. No one forces state/local governments to apply for such funding.


Medicaid OTOH is an on going program where Congress (via Obamacare) attempted to force participating states to accept changes mid-stream. SCOTUS simply said "no" that existing funding levels couldn't be affected, but that didn't mean going forward things couldn't change. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid


Hence you have or had states which didn't expand Medicaid coverage, and received more funding in exchange for compliance with new Obamacare mandates, versus those which did not.


Federal funding for public housing comes from various sources. HUD, budget appropriations, etc....


https://homeguides.sfgate.com/apply-...rant-8173.html


Community Development Block Grant – Directory of NYC Housing Programs – NYU Furman Center


From NYHCA's budget you can see where they get their money:


https://council.nyc.gov/budget/wp-co...8/05/NYCHA.pdf


Or: https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us


In total federal funding makes up nearly 60% of NYCHA's budget. So hell to the yeah when feds say they can (and have right to) take over city's public housing.
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:16 PM
 
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The quickest way to keep inner city crime from spreading is to remove it quickly before it spreads.
Check out this brief and short history of this infamous housing project and its' ultimate demise.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESHeME-iwOY
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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Different terms. Same concept.

A bank cares about getting paid. HUD cares about social issues. But the level of control is similar.

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No, not exactly.


Bank or other mortgage note holder doesn't give a rat's behind what you do with the property long as you make on time payments. This goes for commercial and residential. There are plenty of both that look like who did it and ran; bank or whoever doesn't care nor have they any legal/contractual right to step in otherwise.


What mortgage holders do care about are things which can lead to seizure of "their" property. Things like unpaid taxes, sewer, water and other such municipal debts/bills. That is why certain mortgages require an escrow account or other device, to ensure such things are paid.

In past HUD has taken over the public housing authorities of Chicago and New Orleans:


https://www.nytimes.com/1995/05/28/u...ver-by-us.html


https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...RCED-96-67.htm
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Old 12-23-2018, 06:24 PM
 
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Which would be a major improvement for the city.

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Dangerous move. They'll bring in private inspectors to condemn, demolish,displace.
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Old 12-23-2018, 07:09 PM
 
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Which would be a major improvement for the city.


Agreed......but where will 400,000 dispaleced impoverished New Yorkers live during the tear down?
Will they just be told.....Go away?
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Old 12-23-2018, 07:52 PM
 
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Which would be a major improvement for the city.

No one is tearing down NYCHA projects, at least not even the most busted but still located in Manhattan or "hot" parts of Brooklyn or other boroughs.


Most of us would rather die than live in; but even in the worst NYCHA housing say on LES, UWS, Harlem, etc... they still are where they are; and as such people in them aren't going anywhere.


You have plenty of NYCHA or whatever housing all up and down UWS in some key prime areas (Lincoln Center, just off Central Park West, etc....). Then there is Chelsea and so forth.


As the city has gentrified immensely (and continues doing so) NYCHA along with rent control laws are the only reason these people are still residing where they otherwise would long be priced out.


Good luck with any plans to demolish or otherwise redevelop such housing without some sort of ironclad promise that those moved out will be moved right back in again afterwards.
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