De Blasio Announces Free Comprehensive Healthcare For All New Yorkers (Mexico: insuring, high school)
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300,000 is a lot of people, this is just ridiculous. This does not seem sustainable
Quick back of the envelope calculation - the crappiest of crappiest insurance plans cost what, like $350 per month? 300K people x $350 x 12 months is $1.26 BILLION per year in additional city expenses
Who the F*** does this giant doofus think he is
I think NYC taxpayers have some very solid grounds for a major lawsuit here
Seriously. Name a country having heated debates about whether they should have our system of health care and insurance? Nobody wants it.
I also don't agree that poor people should be given extra benefits just for being poor. That's why universal healthcare should be implemented for ALL Americans, and all forms of education should either be free or the cost should be lowered tremendously. I would not support an educational system wherein one could just study for the rest of their lives and get every degree for free by getting degrees in all sorts of arts and literature programs that won't lead to good paying jobs. However, all associate's degrees should be free, one's first bachelor's should be free or low cost, and post-grad/professional degrees should be low cost because they will likely lead to higher salaries (doctors, lawyers, accountants, MBAs, etc.). But that should be available for EVERYONE, just like universal health care and insurance should be available for everyone regardless of income.
I don't want to hear why we can't do universal health care if other 1st world countries can. Does being exceptional mean that we can't learn from anyone else? Let's find a country with universal health care that people are happy with, look at their funding and cost controls, then just shamelessly copy it already!
This country is way too conservative for that to happen anytime soon, plus insurance is a very large industry and I doubt they'll go out without a fight
Quick back of the envelope calculation - the crappiest of crappiest insurance plans cost what, like $350 per month? 300K people x $350 x 12 months is $1.26 BILLION per year in additional city expenses
Who the F*** does this giant doofus think he is
I think NYC taxpayers have some very solid grounds for a major lawsuit here
Yeah, that's more than their entire budget surplus if I'm not mistaken.
And that's just for 300k, there might be more than that plus there are all the non-illegal immigrant poor to begin withm
Yes but I think that middle class people need also to guard against making the poor scapegoats. Honestly, one serious illness could make a lot of middle class people poor!
I’m not blaming the poor
I’m blaming the politicians who don’t give a rat about the middle class. The low income are easy votes and the rich thrives off of the poor. The middle class are stuck in the middle faced with not qualifying for affordable housing but also barely being able to afford market rent and properties.
It’s easier to be low income in this city which is many people don’t work over a certain amount of hours to qualify for benefits. Doesn’t make sense to work harder to be either net neutral or negative
This country is way too conservative for that to happen anytime soon, plus insurance is a very large industry and I doubt they'll go out without a fight
Plus European countries are way smaller
Yes, the US is far too conservative. But much of conservatism is not founded on any actual facts, such as trickle down economics and universal healthcare. Insurance being a large industry is exactly the problem we have; the insurance industries get to lobby our legislators and spread propaganda so even if something is in the public's best interest, we're trained to dislike it and our politicians are bribed to not support it with pocketfuls of cash.
European countries being smaller is irrelevant. If anything, the richest and most powerful nation on earth should be able to implement this better than any other country. With the amount of MNCs headquartered here and that should be paying taxes here and with the large and growing number of millionaires and billionaires in the US, it should be just as possible if not easier to implement universal healthcare. Those MNCs and billionaires just need to stop spreading their conservative propaganda and stop buying politicians.
I’m blaming the politicians who don’t give a rat about the middle class. The low income are easy votes and the rich thrives off of the poor. The middle class are stuck in the middle faced with not qualifying for affordable housing but also barely being able to afford market rent and properties.
It’s easier to be low income in this city which is many people don’t work over a certain amount of hours to qualify for benefits. Doesn’t make sense to work harder to be either net neutral or negative
For sure, sometimes it wouldn't make sense for someone to cross an income threshold because they may end up worse off losing whatever benefit. People on this board have talked about that in terms of affordable housing. It's a real disincentive. It's another reason why programs like healthcare shouldn't be income based.
DeBlasio is mostly a mayor for the rich and the poor, and not in between. He's surely going to be running for higher office after his term ends, and I would never support him (unless he was running against someone like Trump I guess).
Yes, the US is far too conservative. But much of conservatism is not founded on any actual facts, such as trickle down economics and universal healthcare. Insurance being a large industry is exactly the problem we have; the insurance industries get to lobby our legislators and spread propaganda so even if something is in the public's best interest, we're trained to dislike it and our politicians are bribed to not support it with pocketfuls of cash.
European countries being smaller is irrelevant. If anything, the richest and most powerful nation on earth should be able to implement this better than any other country. With the amount of MNCs headquartered here and that should be paying taxes here and with the large and growing number of millionaires and billionaires in the US, it should be just as possible if not easier to implement universal healthcare. Those MNCs and billionaires just need to stop spreading their conservative propaganda and stop buying politicians.
That's one hell of a take. Most would argue, including myself, that conservatism is responsible for the colossal prosperity we have enjoyed in the world basically lifting up the world along with us
This country is way too conservative for that to happen anytime soon, plus insurance is a very large industry and I doubt they'll go out without a fight
Plus European countries are way smaller
No we can't!
I don't know why a universal system would be less feasible in a large country? In some ways, I think it could be easier.
The govt should support retraining people currently employed in the insurance industry but it's wrong to keep a health system that's not working in order to protect jobs that we're better off without. The employment market is constantly changing -- where are the encyclopedia salesmen, telephone operators and milkmen?
Conservatism is facing a big challenge demographically not only because the country is becoming more racially diverse, younger people tend to be much more liberal than older generations.
People are also more open to the idea of universal health care than in the past because so many aren't happy with the health care system we have now, and also aren't satisfied with Obamacare. Republicans have no plan at all. What's the alternative?
I don't know why a universal system would be less feasible in a large country? In some ways, I think it could be easier.
The govt should support retraining people currently employed in the insurance industry but it's wrong to keep a health system that's not working in order to protect jobs that we're better off without. The employment market is constantly changing -- where are the encyclopedia salesmen, telephone operators and milkmen?
Conservatism is facing a big challenge demographically not only because the country is becoming more racially diverse, younger people tend to be much more liberal than older generations.
People are also more open to the idea of universal health care than in the past because so many aren't happy with the health care system we have now, and also aren't satisfied with Obamacare. Republicans have no plan at all. What's the alternative?
People have been saying the same thing forever (demographics will kill conservatism) but the US just elected a hardcore right wing president just 2 years ago and he could very well be reelected.
The difference between those other jobs is that they died off naturally due to technological or societal changes, the government deciding to kill a massive employer is much different.
And the US is NOT the richest country per capita, by the way. Per capita is all that matters because healthcare expenses are applied to every last member of the population.
The US has way too many conservatives who do not support single payer healthcare, you can't compare it to some liberal European country with 10 million people where nearly everyone is okay with socialism.
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