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How are Dutch and German people WASPS? Catholicism is the dominant religion of the Netherlands and Germany, plus they aren't Anglos. And there are plenty of well to do Italians and Irish in Manhattan, and of course Jews.
Not true. Historically, about 60% of the population of both Germany and Netherlands have been Protestant (generally Lutherans in Germany, and Dutch Reformed in Netherlands), - broken down geographically, with Catholics remaining traditionally the faith in both the southern region (Bavaria) and in the Rhineland (Cologne, etc.) region of Germany, and Catholics dominant and southern and eastern parts of the Netherlands.
Of course, today in the 21st century, most people tend to be agnostic or non-practicing, with also large and growing numbers of Muslims.
Sorry, I disagree. It's almost completely unheard of for a Southern White person to move to NYC - or to anywhere in the northeast seaboard where taxes and COL are so high. Maybe only if they're an actor on Broadway, or in the arts....... 100 years ago, they might have, because back then the South didn't have many universities, and the South's economy was inferior. For instance, a huge proportion of southern teachers back in the day, were graduates of Columbia Univ. teachers college. Writer Truman Capote's parents. novelist Tom Wolfe... Today, however, states such as NC and TX have a thriving economy. Even subcultures such as the Gay community can find a home in southern cities. Moving to NYC would just represent a lower quality of life.
Other than Louisiana and Florida, the Italian influence in the South is quite low. I am 68, and have traveled very extensively in the south, and met very few Italian named people. Germans - some migration historically to the southern Piedmont and Shenandoah Valley - auto racer Dale Earnhart's ancestors, rocket scientist Wernher Von Braun. I would not call it "a ton of them." In modern times, many German nationals are now retiring in Fort Myers and S.W. Florida, while others work at the BMW plant in SC.
That's just not true. There are plenty of white transplants from the South these days.
There are a lot of Italians in the Midwest and California. They are a pretty mainstream white group in this country.
You can say that for a lot of groups. No group really dominates but several are culturally influential.
Like Italians, they may be declining in numbers but Pizza is super mainstream and a lot of well known NYC things/people are Italian
What Americans call and or is known as "pizza" doesn't really exist in Italy. Yes, many of the places in or near tourist areas will crank out something that meets (or gets near) American tastes, but like meatballs and a few other dishes associated with Italians pizza is largely an invention of Italian Americans after they arrived.
Besides that more and more pizza places are owned by Latinos, Albanians and or anyone else but Italians. Fixings come in cans or whatever ready made and anyone with the skills of an eejit can roll out some (premade) dough, slap on toppings and shove into a hot oven.
What Americans call and or is known as "pizza" doesn't really exist in Italy. Yes, many of the places in or near tourist areas will crank out something that meets (or gets near) American tastes, but like meatballs and a few other dishes associated with Italians pizza is largely an invention of Italian Americans after they arrived.
Besides that more and more pizza places are owned by Latinos, Albanians and or anyone else but Italians. Fixings come in cans or whatever ready made and anyone with the skills of an eejit can roll out some (premade) dough, slap on toppings and shove into a hot oven.
That's just not true. There are plenty of white transplants from the South these days.
There are a lot of Italians in the Midwest and California. They are a pretty mainstream white group in this country.
Yes, plenty of Italians in the midwest and California, but not a great many in the South, other than Florida and Louisiana, or at military bases.
I am 68, and can recall meeting only maybe 5 White Southern people in my entire life who moved to NY.
My cousin, because he was assigned to IBM in Westchester in the 1980s, he raised his family out in the far exurbs, and returned south as soon as he could.
Another rural southern man back in the 1970s who lived near Columbia Univ. and worked for a department store. He may have been Gay.
Another rural southern man in the 1970s who took a school administrator position and lived in Great Neck.
A southern man and a woman who were both assigned to the Bronx V.A. Hospital. He said he liked living in the central Bronx.
My other southern cousin and his wife, who served as Mormon missionaries for 6 months in Manhattan in 2000.
Now, if a southern person were Jewish, or Asian, I can see where they could conceivably feel at home and move to NYC for cultural reasons or stimulation. Other than them, most southern whites would scratch their heads or laugh at the idea.
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Not true. Historically, about 60% of the population of both Germany and Netherlands have been Protestant (generally Lutherans in Germany, and Dutch Reformed in Netherlands), - broken down geographically, with Catholics remaining traditionally the faith in both the southern region (Bavaria) and in the Rhineland (Cologne, etc.) region of Germany, and Catholics dominant and southern and eastern parts of the Netherlands.
Of course, today in the 21st century, most people tend to be agnostic or non-practicing, with also large and growing numbers of Muslims.
You're right but Germany is still roughly 30% Catholic, so it's hardly reliable to refer to it as a WASP country in my opinion. In addition to all of the irreligious people.
There is probably a higher ratio of WASP transplants from the South. The Midwest has a ton of Italian, German, and Scandinavian descendants (but then again so does the South, at least for the former two).
Actually one of the first places Italians (well at least those from the south of Italy such as Sicily and Naples) arrived in great numbers to USA was the south, in particular Louisiana.
First the climate was not that much different between the two areas. There also was a lively shipping trade between New Orleans (and a few other southern ports) and southern Italy. Finally Louisiana already had and established Roman Catholic population thanks to being founded by the French (as opposed to many northeast states dominated by the English), which helped seal the cake.
When Tennessee Williams wrote his famous play (that became a great movie starring Italian actress Anna Magnani) "the Rose Tattoo" about a Sicilian woman/community in 1950's New Orleans, he knew what he was talking about.
Much of what has evolved into modern jazz has roots in southern Italian music, in particular with the various horns.
Mr. Nick LaRocca one of the founders of the Original Dixeland Jass (later changed to Jazz) band pushed for and or promoted himself as the "father of modern Jazz". Much to the dismay of African Americans and it began a debate that still simmers today.
I am 68, and can recall meeting only maybe 5 White Southern people in my entire life who moved to NY.
My cousin, because he was assigned to IBM in Westchester in the 1980s, he raised his family out in the far exurbs, and returned south as soon as he could.
Another rural southern man back in the 1970s who lived near Columbia Univ. and worked for a department store. He may have been Gay.
Another rural southern man in the 1970s who took a school administrator position and lived in Great Neck.
A southern man and a woman who were both assigned to the Bronx V.A. Hospital. He said he liked living in the central Bronx.
My other southern cousin and his wife, who served as Mormon missionaries for 6 months in Manhattan in 2000.
Now, if a southern person were Jewish, or Asian, I can see where they could conceivably feel at home and move to NYC for cultural reasons or stimulation.
How long ago did you check on this? Things are different now. I've met plenty of white transplants from Florida (including the culturally Southern part) and Georgia.
Not true. Historically, about 60% of the population of both Germany and Netherlands have been Protestant (generally Lutherans in Germany, and Dutch Reformed in Netherlands), - broken down geographically, with Catholics remaining traditionally the faith in both the southern region (Bavaria) and in the Rhineland (Cologne, etc.) region of Germany, and Catholics dominant and southern and eastern parts of the Netherlands.
Of course, today in the 21st century, most people tend to be agnostic or non-practicing, with also large and growing numbers of Muslims.
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