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More jobs can be offshored or located outside NYC. Automation also.
Amazon didn’t need $3B to decide on VA, they were offered half that. Blame Cuomo and de Blasio, not Amazon. Should they have said “no, you’re offering us too much?” No, it was a “best and final” kind of bid.
I’m sure they did their math given COL and probably drew a line beneath which they wouldn’t consider NYC.
Yeah, those vultures know what they're doing -- unlike our credulous cretins here who think corporate propaganda is The Truth.
Even De Blaz was amazed that Bozo Bezos didn't even try to negotiate some typical legalistic shell-game and simply left...just goes to further underscore the already obvious arrogance of Bozo Bezos and his crew.
Exactly this - Charter schools - which are overwhelmingly full of black & Hispanic kids in NYC and which both outperform NY suburban schools on state tests and also outperform the same black & Hispanic kids demographic in the traditional public schools are fought at every single step by entrenched interests and condescending don't-actually-send-any-kids-to-public-school Upper Middle Class whites with a social JW fantasies.
AGAIN WITH THE RACE CARD???
Blacks were jumping up and down for black teachers!! Claimed they can't learn without black teachers!!!
Then blacks went jumping up and down for black curricula!!! Claimed they can't learn without black history and black studies!!!
Now blacks wanna talk about how they need charter schools???
Them charter schools dump the worst kids on public schools which have to take them!!!
Yet even for all that, many charter schools are not performing much better or have been found to be cheating!!!!!
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Yea the UMC progressives knows what's best for your kid - send em to a failing but PC traditional public school. Its the same bunch of Patronizing, condescending and, ultimately, privileged loudmouths keeping em down. Its like a religious dogma to them - sounding and looking righteous is the ultimate goal here - screw the real world effects on those lower down the chain.
I think something's very wrong with most public sector unions but in the case of black and hispanic students, it's actually not the union's fault.
But BTFO with trying to muddle the issues...can't argue on the merits of the case so you drag in race, right???
I'm pro business, but this was a horrible deal, done without thinking about infrastructure improvements to an already overtaxed and overburdened transportation system. Everyone is yelling about jobs. How in the hell are people supposed to get to them with the crummy transportation that exists??
Obviously, the would simply walk or Uber to their jobs, living nearby in all that nice fancy new housing all over L.I.C. which is why the local real estate RAT-LORDS were all salivating over the prospect of HQ2....
A subway train fits about 1800 people if packed to the gills. So at worst we're talking about an extra 14 packed trains full of amazon workers. Reality is, many of those 25K were going to live in the immediate area & walk and many more were going to live in Manhattan and take a reverse commute to/from Queens where the trains are already empty. (Not to mention there are 4 subway lines serving the immediate area on top of two more if you go out to Queensboro plaza)
And many weren't -- ESPECIALLY THEIR MAIDS AND NANNIES AND PERSONAL TRAINERS AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE even the moderately rich do with their money...what, you forgot your own corporate propaganda talking points about the wider ecosystem that would've cropped up???
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So is subway really the infrastructure problem you are worried about? Or is it sewers - which are way under utilized in LIC because they were built up to serve a large industrial base that has long ago left. Or is it electricity? Is one more building going to blow all the fuses, especially one right next to a coned substation and literally a few blocks more to the largest power plant in metro NYC?
Con Ed can barely handle summers as it is you shameless liar!!!
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I'd really like to know, what is this infrastructure barrier you're so worried about
You know damned well despite your patent lies: the subways and buses and roads, and not just on workdays either.
How about both? Do you see the picture above? That's the current situation along the 7 line and what riders go through regularly. We have a transit crisis that remains unaddressed, yet there is money for tax incentives but never money for infrastructure. People can't get to work on time as it is now, and we're supposed to have Amazon come here and add thousands of jobs with no improvements to infrastructure? None??
Of course he'll just ignore and deflect, the corporate shill.
How was Amazon going to put money into the pocket of NYC/NYS? The city and state were providing more than $3 billion in tax subsidies.
Besides, the point was that NYC is not and never will be seen as a city unfriendly to business, and certainly not because one company decided to take its ball and run home.
Are you factoring in the $3 billion worth of subsidies into this "much much bigger tax income"?
You write as if New York City is Sandusky, Ohio. The city is and will be fine, and if anything, Amazon should create jobs in places that need them a lot more like Upstate NY.
Those people are damned liars who should be shot. They are desperately defending trickle-down voodoo-nomics despite fifty years of evidence.
The majority of them are. Just as an example I am familiar with, please ride the F, B, Q, R, N, A, C trains in the morning Brooklyn-bound in Brooklyn and then look at the opposite side at Manhattan bound trains.
This is pretty common knowledge. Where do you live that you don't know this?
Your point's totally moot in the first place because L.I.C. was chosen for its combination of centrality and availability. Nothing to do with reverse commutes.
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Ok, specifically for mathematically challenged:
25k jobs averaging $150k each is $3.75 billion in income per year
Suppose the city and state combined taxes 10% of that just for simplicity sake that is $375 million in income taxes per year that NYS/NYC gets.
$3 billion/$375mil per year = 8 years for NYS/NYC to totally recoup the incentives just from income taxes alone.
I am not even factoring in property taxes for the HQ, sales taxes, and all the other bells and whistles that these workers are going to spend on. The real figure was that after incentive, NYS/NYC would generate $27 billion in tax revenue from this, over the period that these tax incentives would be in duration. This money probably would have been enough to cover NYC's portion of the build-out of all phases of 2nd ave subway over the years.
Those are Amazon's own figures, dumb-ass. Why would you trust the salesman's own glowing reports???
I'm glad they cancelled. The voters are getting exactly what they deserve.
People on the outside looking in can really see how much of a loser state New York has become.
You and yours are the only losers HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Dumb-asses believe Santa Claus Amazon was gonna spread the wealth...yeah right, morons!!
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