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The Nordic countries you are likely to bring up are capitalist countries. They just have a large welfare network. There aren't any actual socialist countries that are successful. Hardcore socialism/communism has failed every single time
Awesome. And who's trying to make the US Socialist. Only red-baiters in their minds.
Awesome. And who's trying to make the US Socialist. Only red-baiters in their minds.
Many AOC supporters are openly socialist or even communist. A good chunk of liberals I know in real life (not just college aged) are openly socialist.
Sometimes these people think that Venezuela is only a failure because of sanctions and not because socialism doesn't work. If socialism was so effective, then Venezuela should be able to produce enough food for themselves at least. Sanctions from the US (if they even exist) should not be able to ruin a whole country's economy if socialism is such a good system.
I've seen plenty of progressives claim that Venezuela is only a failure because of sanctions from the US. I'm not knowledgeable on how much sanctions were actually imposed (if any), but that's a very weak argument. A socialist state should at least be able to make sure there is adequate food, but Venezuela has failed to do even that. And Venezuela relies too much on oil as a source of income.
There is no successful country in the world with Berniebro policies
Venezuela only had one national product, oil. The US in cahoots with Saudi Arabia and other like minded folks schemed together to devalue the price of oil in order to undermine competition. Whether you are capitalist or socialist or anything else, if you only have one product and it is undermined, you're going to have an economic issue.
There is no country every was "socialist" to begin with. Bernie Ovary policies are pretty derringer in most first world countries in Europe, successful I might add.
I agree with many progressive ideas, however I think the scale and delivery proposed by AOC and people like her are often very flawed.
If they want a Nordic style system, they can't keep being in favor of open borders. We have jus solis and de facto open borders to begin with, and for those reasons alone I don't think we can have true socialism or even Nordic style welfare state capitalism.
No one every advocated for open borders. Again, Oligarchical news miss information to get the lower class GOP to vote for policies that hurt them.
Venezuela only had one national product, oil. The US in cahoots with Saudi Arabia and other like minded folks schemed together to devalue the price of oil in order to undermine competition. Whether you are capitalist or socialist or anything else, if you only have one product and it is undermined, you're going to have an economic issue.
There is no country every was "socialist" to begin with. Bernie Ovary policies are pretty derringer in most first world countries in Europe, successful I might add.
Yeah it was obviously detrimental to have one export, but at the same time that seems like an expected shortcoming of a socialist nation.
There are no European countries as far to the left as Bernie's economic vision. Even though Europeans tend to be more compassionate than Americans, they like making money too and don't want policies that are blatantly anti-business.
There are no European countries as far to the left as Bernie's economic vision. Even though Europeans tend to be more compassionate than Americans, they like making money too and don't want policies that are blatantly anti-business.
Obviously, you either are uninformed about European countries, or, more likely, think Bernie's economic vision is far more left than it is. By European standards, Bernie's positions are MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. By European standards, Americas economic policy is pretty far to the right.
Obviously, you either are uninformed about European countries, or, more likely, think Bernie's economic vision is far more left than it is. By European standards, Bernie's positions are MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. By European standards, Americas economic policy is pretty far to the right.
The only major difference is that they have universal healthcare. But then again most Americans either get insurance from their job or have government insurance.
European countries also have much stricter immigration policy, as much as liberals love to praise European countries, they always seem to forget the part that European countries would never allow the level of low income immigrants (including many unauthorized) that the US has and continues to do.
A good read regarding the Nordic countries and the myth that they're socialist. It brings up a good point that they're only able to levy high taxes to support the welfare state because the market is allowed to be successful.
Canada and all of Europe have public healthcare, and they are successful countries.
USA 325 million people.
Canada's population is only 37 million.
Each European country has a population of
Germany 81.4 million
France 66.4 million
United Kingdom 65.08 million
Italy 60.93 million
Spain 46.42 million
Netherlands 17,284,685 million
Sweden 10,215,250 million
Switzerland 8,526,932 million
Denmark 5,806,015 million
Finland 5,522,015 million
Norway 5,323,933 million
No one every advocated for open borders. Again, Oligarchical news miss information to get the lower class GOP to vote for policies that hurt them.
The left is de facto in favor of open borders. They want to let in the economic refugees from Central America, and they don't want any deportations besides maybe the worst criminals. How is that not open borders?
The left views Canada as a model country, but they seem to forget that Canada's immigration policy is much stricter.
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