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The progressives now scream that Amazon brings "bad" jobs and that bodegas, and diners must be encouraged instead. I wonder how many of those business can afford what is described above. You think bodegas hire union workers, or even consistently pay the minimum wage?
and surely everyone dreams of being a cook at a diner. Much better than HQ2 jobs. (sar)
The progressives now scream that Amazon brings "bad" jobs and that bodegas, and diners must be encouraged instead. I wonder how many of those business can afford what is described above. You think bodegas hire union workers, or even consistently pay the minimum wage?
Big deal. Cuomo is already begging Amazon to return. Though Amazon will not rush to make a return announcement (there's ongoing political fallout), it's inevitable in the next few years they'll make a major expansion in NYC. Right now is the time for them to let certain people face political consequences. Such as some people being voted out in 2020.
Also, to be honest, business and capitalism is central to NY's identity. People constantly moan about NY's loss of culture but never stop to think what that culture actually is. NY wouldn't be what it is culturally without being the economic hub of our country. Why do you think we're an immigration hub? Immigrants don't give two craps about organic mayonnaise bars or marriage equality or whatever the Lower Manhattan/Prime Brooklyn folks think passes for "culture". Good luck on your art gallery opening with no wealthy patrons to attend it.
NY is hustle, bustle, energy, money making, and entrepreneurial. Why do people move to the very epicenter of capitalism to rail against it? You can do that back home in Iowa...
Of course many gay people are immigrants and yes, they do care about gay marriage. Be aware that gay and immigrant are not exclusive categories.
With that said some of the politicians who drove Amazon away didn't think Amazon would actually go. But this is Bezos's MO. If he doesn't get what he thinks Amazon should get, he is more than willing not to have operations in a place as a way of retaliation against certain politicians. After they suffer political fallout, then he's more than willing to have operations in a place. When Texas wanted Amazon to pay back taxes, Amazon closed all Amazon warehouses in Texas. They remained closed for a few years until Texas renegotiated things with Amazon.
Like $27,000,000,000 in income taxes, and additional estimated 5,000-10,000 ancillary jobs, and an additional $13,000,000,000 in expected economic activity isn't enough right?
Yea they could have offered to give us a rocket to mars or perhaps an island near St. Barts. Or just St. Barts perhaps. Or zilch which is what the city ended up getting.
Yea. btw - the net effect of the state government's $13 billion pro-jobs spending & incentives in NYS since 2011 has been about 6,000 jobs. In 7 years. But you knew that right because you are up on all that stuff.
I was trying to find middle ground in all of this, at the same time pointing out the consequences of "cart blanche" treatment. The folk in favor of the deal should understand that negotiations in secret is a bad look, and that giving an entity what it wants with no community input has bad community consequences. And folk against this deal should understand that community justice and business CAN work together. The stand of "don't even talk to Amazon because I'm so principled against business" is a closed-minded style of leadership.
I was trying to find middle ground in all of this, at the same time pointing out the consequences of "cart blanche" treatment. The folk in favor of the deal should understand that negotiations in secret is a bad look, and that giving an entity what it wants with no community input has bad community consequences. And folk against this deal should understand that community justice and business CAN work together. The stand of "don't even talk to Amazon because I'm so principled against business" is a closed-minded style of leadership.
The problem with "community" input is that you will always get the people that are against something. People that are indifferent/pro/not against are not going to go to meetings. That's why community boards are always one sided/against projects, whether they are good or bad.
The problem with "community" input is that you will always get the people that are against something. People that are indifferent/pro/not against are not going to go to meetings. That's why community boards are always one sided/against projects, whether they are good or bad.
And the problem with dealings with no community input is that you risk betraying public and community trust in the process.
The problem with "community" input is that you will always get the people that are against something. People that are indifferent/pro/not against are not going to go to meetings. That's why community boards are always one sided/against projects, whether they are good or bad.
And the problem with dealings in secret, with no community input, is that you risk betraying public and community trust in the process.
And the problem with dealings with no community input is that you risk betraying public and community trust in the process.
You still don't get it. Like I said, what's the point of community input if it is flawed? Are you really getting true community input if you are just getting the input of one side? The only people that are motivated enough to go to community meetings are almost always people that are against something. Therefore, these community meetings are almost always one-sided and not a true representation of the community as a whole.
Even the protest gatherings against Amazon were small and from many observers, they were not even from the area.
Most NY'ers were for Amazon. Most NY'ers did not feel betrayed by the process. They elected the governor and mayor to bring in business and economic opportunities for the city and state.
Most NY'ers were for Amazon. Most NY'ers did not feel betrayed by the process. They elected the governor and mayor to bring in business and economic opportunities for the city and state.
The mayor/gov made the attempt. A minority of the community opposed and it was enough that Amazon backed away over fears of bad publicity.
The irony here is I'm sure next election cycle this will come up again as why NY needs more Republicans in office. Because the GOP would surely have silenced those opposing voices right... right?
^ I don't know if they backed out because of bad publicity. From what I read, it was because State Senator Gianaris wouldn't even meet with them (after many requests) to discuss any compromises. That's when the Amazon execs said "F' that, we outta here."
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