Why is NYC public transport lauded? (New York, Ridge: construction, maintenance, live in)
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On top of running 24/7/365, there's the sheer number of people NYC transit moves from here to there on a daily basis. When you take population into account, the amount of incidents becomes small on a percentage basis.
On top of running 24/7/365, there's the sheer number of people NYC transit moves from here to there on a daily basis. When you take population into account, the amount of incidents becomes small on a percentage basis.
Tokyo Metro handles just as many riders along with London coming close. 24/7/365 is now officially false advertising. Trains in any given neighborhood flat out don't work during nights and weekends due to decades overdue "maintenance"... Basically I don't travel anywhere on weekends outside of my neighborhood because of it. Multiple lines are down throughout many portions of the city.
I am in Tokyo right now visiting my in laws and the subway and connecting regional rail lines are not 24 hours yet work perfectly in the hours they do run, 7 days a week. Have been caught up in rush hour a few times and not experienced the sardine packed trains at all.
Meanwhile back home the NW lines delay for a whole hour or more off peak , it isn't captured or reflected on MTA.info and trains are packed at 11am and 2pm I come from 2 generations of MTA workers and there's just no rhyme or for all the B.S. You can blame and finger point whomever it won't solve the underlying problem is our dysfunctional culture that demands perfection in Sports, Music and Entertainment but not in vital infrastructure and institutions.
There are numerous challenges and issues with Japan for example or any other country with excellent public transportation. However, to me if people can't even get around in your city as a visitor or tourist how can you expect to be able to keep the city alive long term? We're already seeing the impact. NYers are leaving for Florida and most importantly NYers who own businesses that create jobs. And Florida's public transportation system is practically non existent, so that's saying a lot.
Tokyo Metro handles just as many riders along with London coming close. 24/7/365 is now officially false advertising. Trains in any given neighborhood flat out don't work during nights and weekends due to decades overdue "maintenance"... Basically I don't travel anywhere on weekends outside of my neighborhood because of it. Multiple lines are down throughout many portions of the city.
I am in Tokyo right now visiting my in laws and the subway and connecting regional rail lines are not 24 hours yet work perfectly in the hours they do run, 7 days a week. Have been caught up in rush hour a few times and not experienced the sardine packed trains at all.
Meanwhile back home the NW lines delay for a whole hour or more off peak , it isn't captured or reflected on MTA.info and trains are packed at 11am and 2pm I come from 2 generations of MTA workers and there's just no rhyme or for all the B.S. You can blame and finger point whomever it won't solve the underlying problem is our dysfunctional culture that demands perfection in Sports, Music and Entertainment but not in vital infrastructure and institutions.
There are numerous challenges and issues with Japan for example or any other country with excellent public transportation. However, to me if people can't even get around in your city as a visitor or tourist how can you expect to be able to keep the city alive long term? We're already seeing the impact. NYers are leaving for Florida and most importantly NYers who own businesses that create jobs. And Florida's public transportation system is practically non existent, so that's saying a lot.
Keep 'em happy and stupid
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NYC public transit is lauded in America because compared to most of the rest of America, where public transit is non-existent, it IS comparatively that much better. Keep in mind large swaths of America could rightly be shuttered, abandoned and, condemned.
Tokyo Metro handles just as many riders along with London coming close. 24/7/365 is now officially false advertising. Trains in any given neighborhood flat out don't work during nights and weekends due to decades overdue "maintenance"... Basically I don't travel anywhere on weekends outside of my neighborhood because of it. Multiple lines are down throughout many portions of the city.
I am in Tokyo right now visiting my in laws and the subway and connecting regional rail lines are not 24 hours yet work perfectly in the hours they do run, 7 days a week. Have been caught up in rush hour a few times and not experienced the sardine packed trains at all.
Meanwhile back home the NW lines delay for a whole hour or more off peak , it isn't captured or reflected on MTA.info and trains are packed at 11am and 2pm I come from 2 generations of MTA workers and there's just no rhyme or for all the B.S. You can blame and finger point whomever it won't solve the underlying problem is our dysfunctional culture that demands perfection in Sports, Music and Entertainment but not in vital infrastructure and institutions.
There are numerous challenges and issues with Japan for example or any other country with excellent public transportation. However, to me if people can't even get around in your city as a visitor or tourist how can you expect to be able to keep the city alive long term? We're already seeing the impact. NYers are leaving for Florida and most importantly NYers who own businesses that create jobs. And Florida's public transportation system is practically non existent, so that's saying a lot.
We can't compare Japan with America. They have a different work ethics and societal values than we do. Most American workers are trying to figure out how to do less and get more while in Japan they're always trying to figure out how to do more and be appreciated by customers.
If we consider OECD countries our peer countries, I’d consider US cities last for mass transit out of the places I’ve seen so far when it comes to how good their mass transit systems in respect to the size of the city. US cities run a gamut in how good or bad their mass transit systems are, but their top range isn’t stellar and their bottom seems abysmal.
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"So why exactly is NYC public transport praised?"
that is where most of the "praisers" live and they
promote NYC since it promotes them as well.
Public Relations and all that.
"Despite its problems it's still the best in the world."
Hear that one a lot. Have to think that they've never been anywhere outside the US to say that.
NYCT positives are trains with AC and 24-hr service, although 24-hr service is way overrated. Especially now with uber.
Negatives are substandard service frequencies for both peak and off peak. Inferior design where uptown/downtown can only be accessed through separate entrances. Lack of staff. Dirty. Slow.
"Despite its problems it's still the best in the world."
Hear that one a lot. Have to think that they've never been anywhere outside the US to say that.
NYCT positives are trains with AC and 24-hr service, although 24-hr service is way overrated. Especially now with uber.
Negatives are substandard service frequencies for both peak and off peak. Inferior design where uptown/downtown can only be accessed through separate entrances. Lack of staff. Dirty. Slow.
The worst negatives right now are its lack of reliability both in regards to scheduled service and the shifting scheduled down time that happen especially on weekends as well as the balkanized commuter transit network that doesn't allow these extensive systems to be better utilized as super express trains that also have more stations in the CBDs which would greatly reduce crowding and delays from massive crowds transferring to the subway system during peak hours.
With all those issues we've mentioned, it's still somehow the best system overall among US cities.
There's few other US cities where one can live without using a car and rely entirely on public transportation.
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I come from 2 generations of MTA workers and there's just no rhyme or for all the B.S. You can blame and finger point whomever it won't solve the underlying problem is our dysfunctional culture that demands perfection in Sports, Music and Entertainment but not in vital infrastructure and institutions. 
