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Old 08-11-2019, 08:33 PM
 
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Our only hope to stop this hot mess is to vote out Cuomo and democrats in 2021, otherwise we're all screwed.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...nwq-story.html
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Old 08-11-2019, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Looks like congestion pricing is a done deal. Such was the cost for the GOP losing control of the state senate. Even if governor's office (it won't) and the senate (unlikely at this point) revert to GOP control, the Assembly (which will remain solidly Democrat) will never vote to go back on this issue.

For every person who ends us cursing congestion pricing who played a role in their GOP senator getting voted out (and, trust, there will be many), may you lose much money for driving in your own city that you already pay for via gas taxes, registration fees, and city income taxes, property taxes, and other taxes. I've long said that there is no tax that Democrats don't like, but I wish they were at least honest that this isn't going to lead to less congestion. Folks like to point to London as an example of successful congestion pricing. But while London city has raised a lot of money for mass transit, traffic still remains among the worst in the world. I'm glad I'm no longer home based in NYC. The city and state are going to hell.

Note, the biggest sellouts and traitors on this issue are the state senators of the working class and poor, who will (as is the case with most taxes) suffer the most under this plan.
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Old 08-11-2019, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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Looks like congestion pricing is a done deal. Such was the cost for the GOP losing control of the state senate. Even if governor's office (it won't) and the senate (unlikely at this point) revert to GOP control, the Assembly (which will remain solidly Democrat) will never vote to go back on this issue.

For every person who ends us cursing congestion pricing who played a role in their GOP senator getting voted out (and, trust, there will be many), may you lose much money for driving in your own city that you already pay for via gas taxes, registration fees, and city income taxes, property taxes, and other taxes. I've long said that there is no tax that Democrats don't like, but I wish they were at least honest that this isn't going to lead to less congestion. Folks like to point to London as an example of successful congestion pricing. But while London city has raised a lot of money for mass transit, traffic still remains among the worst in the world. I'm glad I'm no longer home based in NYC. The city and state are going to hell.

Note, the biggest sellouts and traitors on this issue are the state senators of the working class and poor, who will (as is the case with most taxes) suffer the most under this plan.
It's been in the works for a long time. I saw a presentation on it last fall, November, I believe, given by Sam Schwartz. Then in the winter I attended an ABNY luncheon where Cuomo was the speaker and did his presentation on why it will be done.

I live in NJ and rarely drive into the city, so I don't care, but this will be your new normal.
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Old 08-12-2019, 12:41 AM
 
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Looks like congestion pricing is a done deal. Such was the cost for the GOP losing control of the state senate. Even if governor's office (it won't) and the senate (unlikely at this point) revert to GOP control, the Assembly (which will remain solidly Democrat) will never vote to go back on this issue.

For every person who ends us cursing congestion pricing who played a role in their GOP senator getting voted out (and, trust, there will be many), may you lose much money for driving in your own city that you already pay for via gas taxes, registration fees, and city income taxes, property taxes, and other taxes. I've long said that there is no tax that Democrats don't like, but I wish they were at least honest that this isn't going to lead to less congestion. Folks like to point to London as an example of successful congestion pricing. But while London city has raised a lot of money for mass transit, traffic still remains among the worst in the world. I'm glad I'm no longer home based in NYC. The city and state are going to hell.

Note, the biggest sellouts and traitors on this issue are the state senators of the working class and poor, who will (as is the case with most taxes) suffer the most under this plan.
Where did you move to?
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:20 AM
 
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They want to ensure that the tale of two cities dilemma stays alive forever.
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:24 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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If the city's retail scene is already dying, you can be sure this will be the death knell. Just about every facet of life is under attack by the Leftist Democrats and there's no one to blame but the dumb New Yorkers themselves.
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Old 08-12-2019, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Where did you move to?
I'm in the DMV area now.
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Old 08-12-2019, 08:35 AM
 
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If the city's retail scene is already dying, you can be sure this will be the death knell. Just about every facet of life is under attack by the Leftist Democrats and there's no one to blame but the dumb New Yorkers themselves.

Agreed.

Reduced traffic is a benefit for the rich who live in the city.

It is their island. Them and tourists. Will they eliminate tourists as well at some point, citing fart pollution?

End gAme is people biking more so rich can get around freely in the s550 MB .
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Old 09-01-2019, 07:19 PM
 
Location: NYC
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will property taxes/groceries go up as well? I see there being delivery fees for those living below 60th and soon below 96th. Why would anyone want to stay here? Companies are moving, some jobs can be done remote, rent is high, etc.
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Old 09-01-2019, 07:42 PM
 
Location: close to home
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Looks like congestion pricing is a done deal. Such was the cost for the GOP losing control of the state senate. Even if governor's office (it won't) and the senate (unlikely at this point) revert to GOP control, the Assembly (which will remain solidly Democrat) will never vote to go back on this issue.

For every person who ends us cursing congestion pricing who played a role in their GOP senator getting voted out (and, trust, there will be many), may you lose much money for driving in your own city that you already pay for via gas taxes, registration fees, and city income taxes, property taxes, and other taxes. I've long said that there is no tax that Democrats don't like, but I wish they were at least honest that this isn't going to lead to less congestion. Folks like to point to London as an example of successful congestion pricing. But while London city has raised a lot of money for mass transit, traffic still remains among the worst in the world. I'm glad I'm no longer home based in NYC. The city and state are going to hell.

Note, the biggest sellouts and traitors on this issue are the state senators of the working class and poor, who will (as is the case with most taxes) suffer the most under this plan.
Poor people rely on public transportation.
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