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Old 10-11-2019, 11:12 AM
 
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Why can't there be loony bins again? But this time without all the inhumane things like lobotomies
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:24 AM
 
Location: New York
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Why can't there be loony bins again? But this time without all the inhumane things like lobotomies
^ This. They could be normal, public funded hospitals only specially designed and staffed as secure inpatient facilities to treat the indigent and mentally ill. But then again, the US tends to balk at any spending directed at social programs, even those that would likely yield a societal net positive.
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:26 AM
 
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Why don't you go visit the little kid in the hospital and go spit on him? Tell the kid that crime drugs poverty and child abuse isn't that bad and that he deserved it.

Just tell em the City Data Mod Team sent ya
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:35 AM
 
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^ This. They could be normal, public funded hospitals only specially designed and staffed as secure inpatient facilities to treat the indigent and mentally ill. But then again, the US tends to balk at any spending directed at social programs, even those that would likely yield a societal net positive.
Right. Because those people are also a danger to other homeless people in addition to the general public.
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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Really, strict law enforcement is the only approach? I guess repeat offenders did not get that memo.

Repeat offenders are a proof that laws are insufficiently strict. If repeat offending carried with it, eg, permanent ban from applying for subsidized housing, or garnishing wages (or garnishing welfare funds) until criminals paid off the fines, they might think harder about commiting crimes. What I meant was strict law enforcement, and strictly carried out MEANINGFUL punishment.


You know how people get restraining orders when they harass someone? Well, there should be restraining orders against people who harass NYC - a person that jumps turnstiles, pees in NYCHA elevator, mugs old ladies, slashes "transplants and hipsters" (or anybody else) for fun, has fights with a rival gang for the drug territory and accidentally shoots an innocent bystander... well, that person should be legally prohibited from ever setting foot in NYC again, if he ever gets out of jail.
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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We better get this issue under control. This is insane.
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:45 AM
 
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Why don't you go visit the little kid in the hospital and go spit on him? Tell the kid that crime drugs poverty and child abuse isn't that bad and that he deserved it.

Just tell em the City Data Mod Team sent ya


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Old 10-11-2019, 11:47 AM
 
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We better get this issue under control. This is insane.
Mental asylums across the state have been closed, need to open them back up

Otherwise these issues will persist
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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Tolerance and acceptance are two different things. I accept the fact that it's getting cold outside. However, if I cannot tolerate the weather, I either dress warmer, or I stay inside. In regards to crime, I pretty much do the same. Either I tolerate it, or I make the decision to move. I'm not going to complain about crime in my area when the choice is mine to move. Which is why I don't complain about it.

In that respect as well, lets take this example. This incident, while troubling, is an abnormal occurrence for the area. And what I have a problem with is people thinking one isolated incident turns Kew Gardens into Caracas.

Why should normal people move? What gives criminals any right to drive anyone out of the area where he/she wants to live, and is willing to pay to live? Criminals are the ones who should be removed, not criminals having the right to drive normal people out.


The rule of crime is not a normal/ expected/ acceptable feature of a civilized society. That is the whole point and reason for existence of laws.
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:56 AM
 
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Mental asylums across the state have been closed, need to open them back up

Otherwise these issues will persist

That is true, but majority of criminals in NYC are perfectly sane, so the crime will persist (albeit maybe 15-20% reduced) even with reopening of asylums.


While I certainly strongly support reopening of numerous needed locked mental facilities, that will stil only take care of a low proportion of crime.
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