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Old 12-24-2019, 01:16 PM
 
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They kick out anyone who is not performant to their standards. Some opine the attrition rate is as high as 16%. There is a lot of scandal around Success. Furthermore, there is a lot of money in it.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/succe...agai_b_9235556

https://garyrubinstein.wordpress.com...ccess-academy/


True but even if you exclude the worst performing students in the public schools charters usually do better. Rather then criticizing the charters DOE needs to see what works and implement it. No one suggests that the DOE is turning out a product that is satisfactory. Yes more of them might graduate on time, but what skills (hard and soft) do they bring to the table.


Remediation is still a huge issue as CUNY, and it shouldn't be for kids who went to DOE schools. That should be for immigrant kids who weren't educated in the US system so might have some gaps, or language issues.

 
Old 12-24-2019, 02:09 PM
 
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What is ironic about students who are homeless is that this mayor and city council rolled out the welcome map for migrant kids who crossed the border with their families. The more people in the system lead to fewer resources to go around, larger classroom sizes, more expense, failing schools, and increased frustration for teachers.
 
Old 12-24-2019, 02:21 PM
 
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True but even if you exclude the worst performing students in the public schools charters usually do better.
I know this is actually UNTRUE. At best they do the same. At worse, they do much less worse. So please, if you are going to say this, out loud, please cite your source of that. Otherwise, you are just repeating things without evidence.

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Rather then criticizing the charters DOE needs to see what works and implement it. No one suggests that the DOE is turning out a product that is satisfactory. Yes more of them might graduate on time, but what skills (hard and soft) do they bring to the table.
I'm amazed, and not amazed how much propaganda Americans in particular swallow without even looking at the numbers. Again, untrue information. A nation at risk was debunked, but no one bothered to read the follow up. https://www.edutopia.org/landmark-ed...rt-nation-risk

I do question the education of those who are older, who fail to actually trust and then VERIFY the 'facts' they recite without actually checking to see if it is true. It's the oldest propaganda playbook because people are too lazy to check and too ideological to test if they could be wrong.

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Remediation is still a huge issue as CUNY, and it shouldn't be for kids who went to DOE schools. That should be for immigrant kids who weren't educated in the US system so might have some gaps, or language issues.
Remediation is an issue because everyone has been sold that they must get a college degree. I think it's a good idea for those who are academically inclined. For those who are not, they should be directed at something else. However, I'm conflicted about this because the way it was carried in the past had racists underpinings.
 
Old 12-24-2019, 05:09 PM
 
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You don't like any DATA that doesn't agree with your political point of view. Data is data. I happen to have seen the raw data, before it was published in newspapers.
I don't like when gemagouges twist definitions of words to advance your progressive agenga.
In real world spending one night at relative's house doesn't make someone homeless. And going to bed without eating something even though your fridge is full does not equate to suffering from hunger.
 
Old 12-31-2019, 01:20 PM
 
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I don't like when gemagouges twist definitions of words to advance your progressive agenga.
In real world spending one night at relative's house doesn't make someone homeless. And going to bed without eating something even though your fridge is full does not equate to suffering from hunger.
Why are you assuming those are the definitions? Are you reading education journals, or the NY Post?
 
Old 12-31-2019, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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Why are you assuming those are the definitions? Are you reading education journals, or the NY Post?
Surely education journals would have a pro-public education bias since they have a vested interest in keeping the $$$ going. If charters were equivalent or worse than public schools as you claim, they would go out of business due to lack of demand. There wouldn't be a lottery for the slots to get in, people would just keep sending kids to their public school instead.
 
Old 12-31-2019, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Old 12-31-2019, 07:52 PM
 
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Why are you assuming those are the definitions? Are you reading education journals, or the NY Post?
Because 10% of students that are homeless is a ridiculously high number. Which would mean there are some 100000 homeless children in the city. Any same person would smell BS right away. But progressively gifted would blindly believe any bogus number simply because it was written in a progressive journal.
Care to show me a link to 100,000 homeless children living on the streets or in shelters? No? But you have no doubts in those numbers regardless.
 
Old 01-05-2020, 09:58 AM
 
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Surely education journals would have a pro-public education bias since they have a vested interest in keeping the $$$ going. If charters were equivalent or worse than public schools as you claim, they would go out of business due to lack of demand. There wouldn't be a lottery for the slots to get in, people would just keep sending kids to their public school instead.
Not with people like you around spreading misinformation. Lot's of schools have lotteries regardless of quality. Perception matters. Why would an education journal be biased by the way? They have no skin in the game when it comes to the type of school.
 
Old 01-05-2020, 10:00 AM
 
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Because 10% of students that are homeless is a ridiculously high number. Which would mean there are some 100000 homeless children in the city. Any same person would smell BS right away. But progressively gifted would blindly believe any bogus number simply because it was written in a progressive journal.
Care to show me a link to 100,000 homeless children living on the streets or in shelters? No? But you have no doubts in those numbers regardless.
1st hit on google.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/brooklyn/new...s--report-says

Being in a housing situation that is transitional is not easy, regardless if their doubling up with family. It's extremely stressful for all involved.
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