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All open discussion does not mean all open discussion is good or beneficial. Like I said same thing over and over. Definition of insanity. You know what though, you keep going, I don't care. If you really need to keep discussing, then I don't want to feel I'm hindering "open discussion."
You don't get to decide what is good or bad. As long as it does not violate the rules of this forum, it is fair game. You do not want open discussion. You only want open discussions of thing you want. This is not open discussion.
Here's a question, who decided these silly left/right terms anyway? How come dems aren't the right and reps aren't the left? Who's in charge of these designations? Why not up/down? LoL.
It is not the same. And you keep asking these questions but if you bother to read more about the discussion, then you will get some answers to your questions but at the same time you want to shut down the discussions about them. Ridiculous.
Anyway, I know you want to get the last word in so go ahead. You already derailed this thread enough as it is. Some moderator.
You don't get to decide what is good or bad. As long as it does not violate the rules of this forum, it is fair game. You do not want open discussion. You only want open discussions of thing you want. This is not open discussion.
Actually I do. Maybe its time for you to review the ToS. Everybody on here gets to decide whats good or bad and has a right to express such (without disrespect towards others). Too bad if you get offended, not everybody will agree with your point of view. I think you repeatedly post the same stuff. Too bad if you're offended. It's actually borderline trolling. Repeating the same POV over and over does not promote healthy discussion, its regurgiation of the same crap.
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Actually I do. Maybe its time for you to review the ToS. Everybody on here gets to decide whats good or bad and has a right to express such (without disrespect towards others). Too bad if you get offended, not everybody will agree with your point of view. I think you repeatedly post the same stuff. Too bad if you're offended.
Funny you should say that when that's exactly what you are against, i.e. people's right to express their opinions on Democrats, crime in NYC, etc. What a joke.
Thanks... certainly a lot contributing to the cost.
It seems the majority are misdemeanor crimes. How many are people really a threat to society? I'd even guess that a lot of them are lowly drug possession crimes... which speaks back to a previous poster. Why aren't they decriminalizing marijuana possession? Note.. not necessarily legalization as a first step.
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Just because it is expensive to incarcerate does not mean you then look to decriminalize and let the felons out. You look for ways to reduce the cost but still incarcerate.
I don't necessarily agree here. As with many things, it has to be framed around cost versus return on investment. "Return on investment" meaning does it contribute to the safety of others and general public. Sure, I hate stepping in gum on the sidewalks and seeing people litter. We can certainly throw people in jail for a few days when caught spitting gum or littering and the end result could reduce the nuisance. But is it really worth $925/day/inmate?
Specifically to the Marijuana debate, a lot rests on individuals views on its impacts. Some like it to the scourge of the planet and the end of the world... marijuana zombies would go out and start eating brains or something... But realistically, how much more of a danger to others (remember... return on investment) is a casual or even habitual smoker? Is it really worth $925/day/inmate? That's the question.
The US has some of the highest incarceration rate in the world... how much of that is misdemeanor crimes and how much of that are we seeing a "return on investment"?
Thanks... certainly a lot contributing to the cost.
It seems the majority are misdemeanor crimes. How many are people really a threat to society? I'd even guess that a lot of them are lowly drug possession crimes... which speaks back to a previous poster. Why aren't they decriminalizing marijuana possession? Note.. not necessarily legalization as a first step.
This is what happens when you build a country off of free labor, quite simple.
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Thanks... certainly a lot contributing to the cost.
It seems the majority are misdemeanor crimes. How many are people really a threat to society? I'd even guess that a lot of them are lowly drug possession crimes... which speaks back to a previous poster. Why aren't they decriminalizing marijuana possession? Note.. not necessarily legalization as a first step.
I don't necessarily agree here. As with many things, it has to be framed around cost versus return on investment. "Return on investment" meaning does it contribute to the safety of others and general public. Sure, I hate stepping in gum on the sidewalks and seeing people litter. We can certainly throw people in jail for a few days when caught spitting gum or littering and the end result could reduce the nuisance. But is it really worth $925/day/inmate?
Specifically to the Marijuana debate, a lot rests on individuals views on its impacts. Some like it to the scourge of the planet and the end of the world... marijuana zombies would go out and start eating brains or something... But realistically, how much more of a danger to others (remember... return on investment) is a casual or even habitual smoker? Is it really worth $925/day/inmate? That's the question.
You are using hyperbolic examples. No one sits in jail for spitting gum and littering.
Anyway, I am not even talking about the types of crimes. That's an entirely different discussion. I am talking about regulatory wastes and bureaucracy. For example, incarceration costs per inmate are lower for other cities and states than NYC. Why is that? NYC regulatory bureaucracy.
It's great that you guys are talking about it, but discussing the fact that you feel like you're getting robbed in broad daylight, isn't going to stop you from getting robbed in broad daylight. Hell, if I really gave a damn about politics, I would feel that the Democrats are invincible the way most talk. After all, they keep stealing and nobody seems to be able to stop it, so maybe denouncing them on C-D is the answer? LoL. Ridiculous.
I denounce them in person to their staff!! There is one who's office is a block away from my house. U NEVER see him at his office and does next to nothing for his constituents. Somehow he wins election after election.
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