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Old 04-27-2020, 05:16 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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How much more time? I spent 2 + 2 + 4.5 = 8.5 months total in the Four Corners area during three different years (plus a few more months further north in Colorado). Cortez, Rico, Telluride, Ridgewood, Ouray, Silverton, Durango - drove back and forth and back and forth and back and forth the entire circle :-). I am not sure which one is my favorite, all of them are interesting. If I were to live in one of them year-round, probably Durango. But it is too far out there for me, I want to stay on the Coasts.
I lived in Colorado for 4 years and my cousin was living in Telluride instructing all of the stars’ kids while I was there. So...
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Old 04-27-2020, 05:34 PM
 
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Do you understand we are in the midst of a pandemic and it’s a disease that transmits to and from other people instead of from a bunny slope to a person? It is really hard to take the kind of shallowness in thought you have seriously—not just from the basic lack of humanity, but the breathtaking paucity of your ideas.

Really, there is a pandemic? Thanks for letting me know!



I believe this thread is about people leaving NYC permanently (if the thread were about the pandemic itself, it would have been closed by now :-). The thread is about what may happen in the long term in NYC. I think the tourism in NYC will remain, and the other businesses for which NYC was historically famous began to get eroded long before the pandemic. I am pretty sure tourism will remain, the rest I don't know how it will fare.



Do me a favor, look up a "big word" before you use it :-). You might think my ideas are stupid (thank you, likewise :-), but there surely isn't a paucity of them :-). I have had an idea almost every day on this forum for a while, although I recognize that it is an idiotic habit and a colossal waste of time, which I should stop... but it IS addictive, I keep reading a bunch of **** here while talking to someone on the phone, and then they ask me what I'm laughing about... well, I'm trying to stop, probably someone should just ban me already :-).
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Old 04-27-2020, 05:44 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Really, there is a pandemic? Thanks for letting me know!



I believe this thread is about people leaving NYC permanently (if the thread were about the pandemic itself, it would have been closed by now :-). The thread is about what may happen in the long term in NYC. I think the tourism in NYC will remain, and the other businesses for which NYC was historically famous began to get eroded long before the pandemic. I am pretty sure tourism will remain, the rest I don't know how it will fare.



Do me a favor, look up a "big word" before you use it :-). You might think my ideas are stupid (thank you, likewise :-), but there surely isn't a paucity of them :-). I have had an idea almost every day on this forum for a while, although I recognize that it is an idiotic habit and a colossal waste of time, which I should stop... but it IS addictive, I keep reading a bunch of **** here while talking to someone on the phone, and then they ask me what I'm laughing about... well, I'm trying to stop, probably someone should just ban me already :-).
Corrected for you!

Also, I'm pretty sure you haven't really gone into any ideas I've suggested as stupid so what's the likewise there?
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Old 04-27-2020, 05:44 PM
 
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I lived in Colorado for 4 years and my cousin was living in Telluride instructing all of the stars’ kids while I was there. So...

So, what special insider info do you have about Telluride that contradicts anything I said about Telluride? If there is nothing to contradict me, how does it matter that I was in the area for several months, while you have a cousin in Telluride?


Btw, it is easier for me to list where in the US I haven't been than where I have. Here are the places where I haven't been:


States: Wyoming (which I do plan to visit, ie, the Yellowstone), South Dakots (I think I haven't been there, but maybe I caught a corner of that state on the train), Nebraska, Oklahoma.


Major cities: San Diego, CA, Charleston, SC - Savannah, GA, Miami, FL, Nashville, TN, Phoenix, AZ (have been on the airport many times in transit, do plan to visit the city at some point), Detroit, MI (have been on the airport, definitely do not plan to visit)


I can't think of any others.

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Old 04-27-2020, 06:08 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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You only have 3 more states than I do on your list, not such a grand defeat. Why you’d pivot to your travels eacapes me, but I assume it is based in some future arrogance you plan to weave.

Anyway, said arrogance is becoming a serious bore. As I stated in another thread, you never bothered me, though I saw complaint after complaint, but you seem to have gotten far worse as the snowball effect of more and more posters turning against you has piled up.

You need to tone it down. You don’t even live here.

As for Telluride: my insight is that it’s a one industry extremely small town in a very different region of the country than NYC, with literally one road in and one road out (and a very dangerous small airport). There is nothing about Telluride that serves as a comparison to NYC in any way. It is not my insight regarding the town, its restaurants in old silver mining-era banks, free clothing and books trading boxes, its sole police officer who would rather escort drunk soldiers home than arrest them for DWI, Tom Cruise with his mansions on each side of the mountain (and Oprah with hers which at one point I believe was the largest home in the US), or any of the other innumerable facts I can list off. It’s that its Telluride, and nothing about its condition compares to NYC in a manner which serves fittingly analogous, even after working its way through your vastly superior mind.

Side note, when one steps into my house the first thing that greets them is a watercolor painting of my cousin’s hand that he gifted me the first time I visited him in Telluride.

Methinks you chose Telluride because you figured no one posting here besides yourself has set foot in the town. Confronted with the fact that you aren’t the only one, you attempted to set up your next pivot through your other travels. I’ve traveled this country from end to end, mostly by car because I love roadtrips (like the 300 miles we did this saturday just for hamburgers), lived in multiple states and regions and have close friends in almost every state, so go ahead as long as you think you can tie your musings in with NYC-relevancy.
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Old 04-27-2020, 06:27 PM
 
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Beautiful Telluride:
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Old 04-27-2020, 06:32 PM
 
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You only have 3 more states than I do on your list, not such a grand defeat. My travels have been mostly by vehicle over the past 20 years as I prefer to see every last mile of this country possible within my short time on this earth, especially since my time spent in your region was very unappealing, to say the least...

Anyway, you arrogance is becoming a serious bore. As I stated in another thread, you never bothered me, though I saw complaint after complaint, but you seem to have gotten far worse as the snowball effect of more and more posters turning against you has piled up.

You need to tone it down. You don’t even live here.

As for Telluride: my insight is that it’s a one industry extremely small town in a very different region of the country than NYC, with literally one road in and one road out (and a very dangerous small airport). There is nothing about Telluride that serves as a comparison to NYC in any way. It is not my insight regarding the town, its restaurants in old silver mining-era banks, free clothing and books trading boxes, its sole police officer who would rather escort drunk soldiers home than arrest them for DWI, Tom Cruise with his mansions on each side of the mountain (and Oprah with hers which at one point I believe was the largest home in the US), or any of the other innumerable facts I can list off. It’s that its Telluride, and nothing about its condition compares to NYC in a manner which serves fittingly analogous, even after working its way through your vastly superior mind.

Side note, when one steps into my house the first thing that greets them is a watercolor painting of my cousin’s hand that he gifted me the first time I visited him in Telluride.

Sorry, but I don't see that arrogance. I talk here the way I always talk, and in my normal everyday life people do not consider me arrogant. But when people hurl a personal offense at me, I will respond in kind, yes :-). Telluride at the peak of its tourist season has about 400,000 residents (the number listed in the tourist brochure I picked up there, and realistically corresponding to the number of people I saw there, despite only one way in and one way out - if you think the road into/out of Telluride is dangerous, you apparently havent driven further to Ouray :-). New Orleans has a total of about 300,000 permanent residents - granted, many more with tourists, but the point is that New Orleans is not a tiny insignificant city, and the number of tourists in Telluride is larger than the number of permanent residents of New Orleans. Houses spill out of Telluride everywhere in the hills and woods - you don't necessarily see the extent of human habitation from inside the town, but you see much more from the cable car. I think Telluride is a good example of the concept that a place CAN subsist on visitors only. Yes, NYC has pop. 8.4 million, but nobody knows how many pied a terres there are in NYC, and there are more than 60 million tourists every year. That is like hosting more than entire Italy (or almost entire Britain or France) in NYC every year. Proportions are different between Telluride and NYC, but the principle of what matters for the local economy is the same
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Old 04-27-2020, 06:44 PM
 
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Post your source for the 400,000 number. There is no way in hell that town swells to 400,000. It would be shoulder to shoulder packer. It might see 400,000 total over the course of a year (the atraction of Telluride is not solely its winter skiing), but 400,000 at once is impossible.

And correction: I did not say the ROAD was dangerous, I said the AIRPORT. I’ve driven that entire region. Monarch pass (which has another fine ski resort) can be tricky, and the road to Ouray as well, but I wouldn’t consider any of them dangerous.
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Old 04-27-2020, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Montreal
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elnrgby,

There are a few things missing from your equation though.

You said in your first post about Telluride, that NYC could profit from visitors, but it already does to a large extent, from business and leisure types all year round. You mentioned the welfare population, the welfare situation which is negative.

1- I don't understand the idea that NYC could be more of a visitor centre as opposed to what? Are you substituting Finance and media and all the rest of it with tourism? It seems like your idea that NYC's future rests on tourism and that all the other industries have decamped post covid crisis.

The welfare population is in the way of that plan to make the city better. You still need to cart it off to somewhere upstate?
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Old 04-27-2020, 07:23 PM
 
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Post your source for the 400,000 number. There is no way in hell that town swells to 400,000. It would be shoulder to shoulder packer. It might see 400,000 total over the course of a year (the atraction of Telluride is not solely its winter skiing), but 400,000 at once is impossible.

And correction: I did not say the ROAD was dangerous, I said the AIRPORT. I’ve driven that entire region. Monarch pass (which has another fine ski resort) can be tricky, and the road to Ouray as well, but I wouldn’t consider any of them dangerous.

There is no way I can find the tourist pamphlet I picked up in Telluride among the million similar bits I picked all over the world, and I don't know how to post links, but quickly googling "how many tourists Telluride" shows an article from TellurideNews.com Aug 30, 2018 in which the Telluride Tourism Board CEO states "the total number of people in the area reached 403,508 in July". I have seen the town around that time of the year (although not year 2018), and it WAS shoulder to shoulder packer. Walking (or rather elbowing one's way) through that main street that ends in a big park felt like walking through the spectator crowd at Boston Marathon. The park was also packed with people, there was some form of festival, which I didn't attend because had to keep going to get out of town before dark (I DO think that a good stretch of that circular road IS dangerous - whatever it is called, Magic Circle or something - particularly the road around Ouray barely wide enough for one car in each direction, with the car constantly trying to fall into enormous gorge if you are driving in the direction of Durango... I couldn't even look at anything while trying to avoid tumbling down several miles of steep rock on one side vs. hitting cars from the opposite direction on the other side).
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