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"If you've beeN at home just watching the news or you went back to your Connecticut
mansion and just isolated you have no idea what's going on.
For anyone who has been outside working everyday this whole covid thing is just a virus,
a little more powerful than the flu that is killing old people and people with very bad
health; diabetes, obesity, lung problems.
Screw what the news is showing you.
[...]
I hate that I lost my primary job because some old people are scared to death of a murderous virus."
". . .this whole covid thing is just a virus, a little more powerful than
the flu that is killing old people and people with very bad health; diabetes, obesity,
lung problems."
oooh. no. it crossed over.
(are there any other infectious diseases that crossed over?? ....are there cases of animals
contracting the flu pre-pandemic)?
this deadly disease... it went further than affecting the human race..
cats
little winston
zoo animals
you don't find the animal-part a bit alarming... ?
Does anyone else think this is the permanent end of 27-7 subway service?
Don't think so, but some out there are seriously worried it might well turn out to be so.
Shutting down subways for just a few hours each night doesn't save the MTA that much money in long run as things stand currently. Train operators, conductors, what is left of token booth agents and others have assigned shift time periods.
If a guy is scheduled to drive a train for eight or whatever hours from say 12M to 8AM, that is what he is going to get paid to do regardless. Ditto for everyone else, so it isn't as if right now their is much savings. You can bet your next mortgage payment if the unions have anything to say about it there won't be any sort of permanent shut down of service. For one thing MTA could turn around and reduce head count by simply eliminating one shift of workers. Again as outlined above that is the only way any savings are achieved.
Even if system shuts down at say 1AM; it could be another hour before all trains have reached terminals or where ever they are going to be laid up, gates closed at stations, system securely locked down. It will take about an hour in AM to reverse things, open up system, get trains where they need to be, etc....
Now in places like Paris,France where system shuts down at 12M, that is what they mean. When train pulls into next station at that time everyone has to get off, leave system, and things are locked down. If you haven't reached your destination too bad... There is bus service, taxis or make you way best you can.
At this point the MTA system is a giant money pit. I'm not sure if any effective cost-saving measures can be done aside from shutting down the whole thing.
Does anyone else think this is the permanent end of 27-7 subway service?
It more likely is. First, as Cuomo said today on reopening, it will reopen when the pandemic is over which might be never, and also he will be the first to support the disinfection going forward "of the abundance of caution".
Secondly, we the riders might be pleased with how clean the cars are every morning, and honestly, the overwhelming majority probably doesn't use the subway at night anyway, so now people will be supportive of this closure for cleaning.
Next, the disinfection will be shifted to the less frequent schedule and MTA will find out that if they close at night cars are still cleaner in the morning. Maybe they all of a sudden discover they can clean tracks of trash, too. Maybe overnight hourly salary savings will play in.
Next, you see everyone's preaching about all those cities where the subway doesn't ride 24/7, and how happy riders still are.
Having said that, it's not like oppose disinfection but the argument that we do it for essential workers doesn't resonate with me: the Mayor should've stepped up on cleaning, homeless outreach, MTA prices years ago. That would be the reason I'd support.
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I hope they also disinfect all of the handrails leading up and down stairs. Those things are filthy.
You mean you actually touch those???
Getting the homeless off the trains shouldn't be an issue logistically. They can post the cops at the terminals and they can kick out anybody that's still on the train before it goes in for cleaning.
Getting people out of the stations may be a little bit more challenging. I imagine they'll have MTA personnel lock the stations/turnstiles and if there's any homeless in the station, they'd call the cops to kick them out.
I don't think this is the beginning of the end of 24/7 service. Imagine the cost of all the extra buses and Uber/Lyft fares they'll be paying.... it's not too bad now, but imagine when the city is back up and running normally.
It more likely is. First, as Cuomo said today on reopening, it will reopen when the pandemic is over which might be never, and also he will be the first to support the disinfection going forward "of the abundance of caution".
Secondly, we the riders might be pleased with how clean the cars are every morning, and honestly, the overwhelming majority probably doesn't use the subway at night anyway, so now people will be supportive of this closure for cleaning.
Next, the disinfection will be shifted to the less frequent schedule and MTA will find out that if they close at night cars are still cleaner in the morning. Maybe they all of a sudden discover they can clean tracks of trash, too. Maybe overnight hourly salary savings will play in.
Next, you see everyone's preaching about all those cities where the subway doesn't ride 24/7, and how happy riders still are.
Having said that, it's not like oppose disinfection but the argument that we do it for essential workers doesn't resonate with me: the Mayor should've stepped up on cleaning, homeless outreach, MTA prices years ago. That would be the reason I'd support.
There is no need to shut system down to clean and disinfect trains and or stations.
Between 12M and say 6AM most trains run with a 15-20 minute headway; that means on any given time only "x" number or trains are running on a particular route with the rest being laid up.
The laid up trains aren't a problem for cleaning or whatever. As trains that are running arrive at terminal they can quickly be cleaned/disinfected by a crack team of workers much like how airplanes are turned around. MTA already has workers cleaning/sanitizing stations overnight, you don't need to lock things down for that.
No one is talking about going down into stations with power pressure washers loaded with disinfectant solution and hosing down all stations overnight. Again this can be done with system running; there aren't that many people down there between 1AM and 5AM besides homeless or whatever. Riding passengers get up off benches or otherwise leave station when their train arrives.
Goal of this exercise again is to do something proactive in getting homeless out of system at least overnight.
Long as city remains on lock down and drains remain largely empty during day/evening hours, homeless will be right back soon as system opens. They will remain until thrown out again at 1AM; lather, rinse and repeat.
City and MTA knows what needs to be done, as it has before; with a show of force have transit LE patroling trains moving along those violating rules like sleeping, spread out on benches/seats, carrying all that junk onto trains, relieving themselves, etc....
But everyone has gone soft; no one wants to "harm" the "poor disadvantaged" homeless who have no place else to turn......
Truth to tell would imagine not many transit or MTA LE welcome being down in the system atm. They will go if sent, but unless the eegit mayor and governor are willing to back them up what is the point?
City and MTA knows what needs to be done, as it has before; with a show of force have transit LE patroling trains moving along those violating rules like sleeping, spread out on benches/seats, carrying all that junk onto trains, relieving themselves, etc....
Can you please show me this subway system that once was devoid of homeless people? The subway had homeless people whether transit had its own cops, or not.
What do you expect when ridership plummets over 90%, of course the homeless situation is going to look more prevalent
Some of you have futures careers in media, gruaduating with majors in making something out of nothing....
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Can you please show me this subway system that once was devoid of homeless people? The subway had homeless people whether transit had its own cops, or not.
What do you expect when ridership plummets over 90%, of course the homeless situation is going to look more prevalent
Some of you have futures careers in media, gruaduating with majors in making something out of nothing....
It was never totally devoid, but during Rudy G's time it was GD cleaned up! It remained that way until sometime around Bloomberg's late second or maybe into his third term.
Riding train one day just began noticing things were back sliding... Not all at once, but little things like the "show time" eegits back on trains. Then came those kids selling candy for school that was highly suspect. Making a return was this big homeless guy in rags that sounded like R2D2 on the 1,2,3 trains..
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