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Old 08-05-2020, 10:54 AM
 
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I'm really not trying to make an argument, I'm just looking at the parallels. FWIW, you have to jump through all these hoops and hurdles to get a gun license in NYC, and if you're fortunate enough to get it you really can't even use it. Better off with a SuperSoaker filled with hot sauce.
Whether you carry with a premise permit is up to you .i am sure plenty do.

But having one at home can be just as valuable
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Old 08-05-2020, 10:56 AM
 
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Whether you carry with a premise permit is up to you .i am sure plenty do.

But having one at home can be just as valuable
If you sleep with it under your pillow every night then I guess so

Still we don't have castle laws here so essentially its worthless

This is why I always favored wrought iron
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Old 08-05-2020, 11:03 AM
 
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If you sleep with it under your pillow every night then I guess so

Still we don't have castle laws here so essentially its worthless

This is why I always favored wrought iron
Castle laws are a different situation ...if anyone comes in your home , you are allowed to use deadly force as well As attempted arson , rape , etc .

As the story I e- mailed you with , you don’t need it under your pillow ...just accessible is fine.


Here is N.Y. laws..see the end of number 2 and all of number 3

S 35.20 Justification; use of physical force in defense of premises and
in defense of a person in the course of burglary.
1. Any person may use physical force upon another person when he or
she reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate
what he or she reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted
commission by such other person of a crime involving damage to premises.
Such person may use any degree of physical force, other than deadly
physical force, which he or she reasonably believes to be necessary for
such purpose, and may use deadly physical force if he or she reasonably
believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or
attempted commission of arson.
2. A person in possession or control of any premises, or a person
licensed or privileged to be thereon or therein, may use physical force
upon another person when he or she reasonably believes such to be
necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she reasonably believes to
be the commission or attempted commission by such other person of a
criminal trespass upon such premises. Such person may use any degree of
physical force, other than deadly physical force, which he or she
reasonably believes to be necessary for such purpose, and may use deadly
physical force in order to prevent or terminate the commission or
attempted commission of arson, as prescribed in subdivision one, or in
the course of a burglary or attempted burglary, as prescribed in
subdivision three.
3. A person in possession or control of, or licensed or privileged to
be in, a dwelling or an occupied building, who reasonably believes that
another person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such
dwelling or building, may use deadly physical force upon such other
person when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to
prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of such
burglary.
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:14 PM
 
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Castle laws are a different situation ...if anyone comes in your home , you are allowed to use deadly force as well As attempted arson , rape , etc .

As the story I e- mailed you with , you don’t need it under your pillow ...just accessible is fine.


Here is N.Y. laws..see the end of number 2 and all of number 3

S 35.20 Justification; use of physical force in defense of premises and
in defense of a person in the course of burglary.
1. Any person may use physical force upon another person when he or
she reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate
what he or she reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted
commission by such other person of a crime involving damage to premises.
Such person may use any degree of physical force, other than deadly
physical force, which he or she reasonably believes to be necessary for
such purpose, and may use deadly physical force if he or she reasonably
believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or
attempted commission of arson.
2. A person in possession or control of any premises, or a person
licensed or privileged to be thereon or therein, may use physical force
upon another person when he or she reasonably believes such to be
necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she reasonably believes to
be the commission or attempted commission by such other person of a
criminal trespass upon such premises. Such person may use any degree of
physical force, other than deadly physical force, which he or she
reasonably believes to be necessary for such purpose, and may use deadly
physical force in order to prevent or terminate the commission or
attempted commission of arson, as prescribed in subdivision one, or in
the course of a burglary or attempted burglary, as prescribed in
subdivision three.
3. A person in possession or control of, or licensed or privileged to
be in, a dwelling or an occupied building, who reasonably believes that
another person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary of such
dwelling or building, may use deadly physical force upon such other
person when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to
prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of such
burglary.
You have to prove that the person was committing burglary to use deadly physical force, suppose the person just says they were drinking too much or simply got disoriented

Laws are bunk

I prefer not to even give anybody the chance to gain access, i.e. wrought iron gates or a large dog.
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:33 PM
 
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You have to prove that the person was committing burglary to use deadly physical force, suppose the person just says they were drinking too much or simply got disoriented

Laws are bunk

I prefer not to even give anybody the chance to gain access, i.e. wrought iron gates or a large dog.
What if’s are for the Da Or jury to figure out ....keeping you and your family from harm is for you to figure out
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Old 08-05-2020, 12:35 PM
 
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What if’s are for the Da Or jury to figure out ....keeping you and your family from harm is for you to figure out
True
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Old 08-05-2020, 07:23 PM
 
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My buddy had his permit expire ....he finally went to renew late and not only would they not renew him ..they gave him 48 hours to bring the firearms in for confiscation ...he could not even sell them to a dealer since he had no active permit aT that point and could not legally sell them
Wow. I think they're always looking for reasons to pull the permit.
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