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Old 08-20-2020, 01:41 PM
 
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I'm not sure I was making an excuse but if I was, that excuse in the 50's/60's doesn't hold water anymore like I think you are saying. There is no more excuse, it's a level playing field. Dirt poor immigrants are able to come here and within a generation live in a nice house, own a family business, and have all their kids in college. They do it by believing a string family unit, working crazy hours to save up, and pushing responsibility on their kids which most importantly forces them to do well in school and work hard

Sorry then, it looks like I misunderstood you. It appears we agree about excuses. All lives matter, and fake excuses (for letting members of select groups get away with tax extortion or violent crime) do NOT matter.
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Old 08-20-2020, 01:57 PM
 
Location: NYC
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That's the thing with group identity politics, imho.

It's so easy to hide in the group and claim some vague notion of disparity, forgoing individual responsibility. And the string of excuses never can end or be solved. It's a phantom that can't be found thus the lure of the eternal victim is perpetual.

Take any one person and go back in their lives. Check all the milestones in their life. All their points of decision making and life choices. And most of the time you it will be no surprise that they are where they are because of those choices.

Thus, the easy way to avoid or absolve said choices is to find victim-hood in a group, where the disproportionate stats can be construed as some exterior systemic oppression.

It goes the other way too. To take one person's actions and associate it to a group identity. Won't solve anything, and offers them an invitation to veil themselves in that group. Groups are not reformed, individuals are.

Address the individual, not the group, and you can find real results including applicable reform.
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Old 08-20-2020, 02:06 PM
 
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That's the thing with group identity politics, imho.

It's so easy to hide in the group and claim some vague notion of disparity, forgoing individual responsibility. And the string of excuses never can end or be solved. It's a phantom that can't be found thus the lure of the eternal victim is perpetual.

Take any one person and go back in their lives. Check all the milestones in their life. All their points of decision making and life choices. And most of the time you it will be no surprise that they are where they are because of those choices.

Thus, the easy way to avoid or absolve said choices is to find victim-hood in a group, where the disproportionate stats can be construed as some exterior systemic oppression.

It goes the other way too. To take one person's actions and associate it to a group identity. Won't solve anything, and offers them an invitation to veil themselves in that group. Groups are not reformed, individuals are.

Address the individual, not the group, and you can find real results including applicable reform.

I surely agree with that.
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Old 08-20-2020, 02:40 PM
 
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Cuomo is scared of BLM and white liberals who now dominate the democrate party. Cuomo. Get woke go broke.
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Old 08-20-2020, 02:50 PM
 
Location: NYC
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If I were the cops, I would retire ASAP. Quit the police as a whole or apply to be a police in a better suburbs that are thriving now than big cities.
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Old 08-20-2020, 03:30 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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If I were the cops, I would retire ASAP. Quit the police as a whole or apply to be a police in a better suburbs that are thriving now than big cities.
We kind of are. Unfortunately not everyone can leave asap though like I was able to. Retirements are up exponentially.
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Old 08-20-2020, 03:37 PM
 
Location: NYC
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We kind of are. Unfortunately not everyone can leave asap though like I was able to. Retirements are up exponentially.
Never have I see a mayor or any ruler publicly scolds or blame their enforcers for everything and expects loyalty at the same time. I don't think I've seen this kind of animosity towards law enforcement by any leader around the world. In any government throughout history, the police or enforcers are the ruler's main enforcers of taxation and policy. Without their support, any city or state would go into anarchy as the people would rise up and overthrow the rulers. It's too bad most NYers these days don't have any balls to vote out the Democrats that keeps supporting these ridiculous progressive policies. Because the Dems know as long as they can keep jobs here, they can do or say whatever they want. But that's gonna change. After the election, Dems are gonna have find a new message. I don't think the taxpayers are really in support of any progressive policies after what they see and experience unless they still think it's Trump's fault.
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Old 08-20-2020, 05:24 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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They still want the police to be their enforcers. This is why they never get rid of the laws they deride the police for enforcing. Leftist American politicians only hate cops because they have cultivated a base of takers with whom that message resonates.

You think Cuomo really cares about black people beyond his perceived confidence that they will vote for him en masse?
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Old 08-20-2020, 05:55 PM
 
Location: New Jersey!!!!
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Thirteen more police-involved shootings last night. Damn the NYPD must have gotten free ammo or something! Lol

https://nypost.com/2020/08/20/at-lea...rge-continues/
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