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NYC Ferry service is expanding to where some critics have been urging for an extended period of time — from Astoria to 90th Street on the East Side of Manhattan.
The no extra cost part is great. I wonder if there are other such route extensions that can be maximized.
I never understood why the Astoria ferry pier isn’t coming out from Vernon Boulevard where there is a bus to connect to and a Citi Bike dock. Is it because the city needed to pay more to acquire land? Yea, it’s about a three minute difference walking, but c’mon!
The no extra cost part is great. I wonder if there are other such route extensions that can be maximized.
I never understood why the Astoria ferry pier isn’t coming out from Vernon Boulevard where there is a bus to connect to and a Citi Bike dock. Is it because the city needed to pay more to acquire land? Yea, it’s about a three minute difference walking, but c’mon!
No extra cost to riders per se, but city subsidizes this GD ferry system to tune of nearly $10 per rider.
This new ferry also goes right to or close enough to a new Durst multi-family housing complex thus indirectly increasing their value.
So people from Astoria will get off at 90th Street walk to the Lexington 4/6 trains downtown?
I can see the 90th street crowd using the ferry to Wall Street. It's more for their benefit. There would be an outcry about a new service only for the UES so they are included Astoria with a more diverse population?
Sorry, I am not getting it. Especially when NYC is broke and can't afford full EMT services?
NYC Ferry service is expanding to where some critics have been urging for an extended period of time — from Astoria to 90th Street on the East Side of Manhattan.
Thank you for your threads. I notice you are one of the few who post positive stuff.
No extra cost to riders per se, but city subsidizes this GD ferry system to tune of nearly $10 per rider.
This new ferry also goes right to or close enough to a new Durst multi-family housing complex thus indirectly increasing their value.
Yes, I realize that and I think it's money far better spent improving bus service. However, I personally like the ride and the ridership has been much higher (well, pre-pandemic) than I and many others expected so at least there's that. Besides, an extra leg on the journey without reducing trips elsewhere means more potential riders which improves that subsidy amount.
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Sounds so random.
So people from Astoria will get off at 90th Street walk to the Lexington 4/6 trains downtown?
I can see the 90th street crowd using the ferry to Wall Street. It's more for their benefit. There would be an outcry about a new service only for the UES so they are included Astoria with a more diverse population?
Sorry, I am not getting it. Especially when NYC is broke and can't afford full EMT services?
There are also jobs in the Upper East Side especially among the hospitals there and service jobs in the area (a surprising number of people working service jobs in the UES don't live in the UES ). Maybe there are other travel pairs for 90th street aside from Astoria--after all, the ferry has multiple stops.
I can see using the ferry during a pandemic and afterwards. It's more pleasant than the subway I don't see how NYC can pay for it during a financial crisis.
I can see using the ferry during a pandemic and afterwards. It's more pleasant than the subway I don't see how NYC can pay for it during a financial crisis.
One thing to think about is that there are operating costs and then there's the capital expenditures it took to set this up. When people talk about subsidies, it makes sense to understand how that per capita subsidy is actually calculated, and if including capital expenditures, how that capex is amortized in the calculation. NYC has already spent the money on the piers, designing the routes, setting up payment gateways, trained people, branding and signage, set up a command center and infrastructure, etc. You can stop running the ferries and sell the boats, but that might not ultimately be that much of the costs of the system and not as large a part of the per capita subsidy as one might expect. Meanwhile, discontinuing it means losing a lot of the value you already sank in and it would be something that at least for some of it would have to be sunk in again if you were ever to revive it. The question is, how long will the after effects of this pandemic last and does it make sense to cut this off knowing that if you were to restart this at some later time, you will have to recommit potentially a lot of capital expenditure.
Thank you for your threads. I notice you are one of the few who post positive stuff.
You're welcome! I try. Negativity just weakens the immune system.
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). Maybe there are other travel pairs for 90th street aside from Astoria--after all, the ferry has multiple stops.
