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I consider Orange/Dutchess counties and north to be upstate. Westchester/Rockland/Putnam are not. Then once you get to Albany area, it switches over to the approproate regions (Capital, Central NY, etc).
The Bronx and Westchester have very clear boundaries/limits. There is no need to ask what people consider to be the border. It is officially established by the govt.
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It's definitely not a straight line, more jagged. I apply the following definition:
Outside the MTA service area. The "quarter-pounder" counties that get a vote on its board. Puts you at Poughkeepsie & Port Jervis. Draw the line.
When you stop feeling the NYC influence. Which puts this northern boarder at about Kingston. Ever visit Kingston? The ghetto is full of former BX/BK/QNS ppl. Connect the dot. North/West of that is Hudson, Saugerties, and the Catskills which plenty of the well-heeled in NYC consider upstate, vacation territory. Too far for a day trip, but can get there within a day by car.
Regular commuters to NYC? The border passes thru Southern Sullivan, Ulster, & Dutchess counties.
The Bronx and Westchester have very clear boundaries/limits. There is no need to ask what people consider to be the border. It is officially established by the govt.
You really think Yonkers and Mt Vernon are upstate?
People only think that when they're not familiar with actual upstate
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