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NYC is notoriously abusive against our constitutional rights as legit American citizens. It is a city where if you are an illegal alien or a deadbeat or thug, you will have all the legal protections paid for by the ever shrinking taxpayer base that is getting the hell out of Dodge.
Right now, I am celebrating the fact that a group has finally stepped in and is challenging really bad ideas, terrible rules that go against private property rights. New York City's Rent Stabilization Law (RSL) is being challenged in court.
The main excuses used for RSL is to "protect" tenants and keep NYC's "racial diversity" (as if racial diversity was a lofty religious pillar and that we could not survive without it. Often, racial diversity is simply code for "you the White and Asian taxpayer will pay for the inner city types who produce nothing of economic value".
One would think that after having these stupid regulations and laws on the books for over 50 years, the problem would have been fixed. Yet, the city still struggles to get it together on any important issue.
The property owners are very worried, for the right reasons. They argue that the rules violate the Constitution's Fifth Amendment since owners cannot exclude others from their own property nor can they rightfully and properly possess, use or dispose of their property. Of course, these laws also violate due process rights.
They make many other arguments, but these are the most relevant ones to me. I am hoping the legal challenge is successful this time. If it is, finally something good will come out of this year. If the lawsuit fails, I hope they take it to the Supreme Court. It will most certainly be successful at that level and then the ENTIRE country could be relieved because local governments could not treat our properties as if it belonged to them.
I also want to see the eviction laws RADICALLY reformed for the better in NYC. We cannot have such an outrageous system that protects so many deadbeats and people who believe housing is a right. I don't ever ever ever want to live in a country where housing is a right guaranteed by government. I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN if that is "how they do it over in Europe" and other places. This isn't Europe. This is America and I want it to remain that way. Not because we should not try new things, but because freedom to private property will always be better to me than the Euro way. European socialism is stifling and breeds a climate of passivity and mediocrity. You never see great innovators from anywhere in the world excited about emigrating to Europe and for good reason. We need to stop this nonsense of "Scandinavian socialism". If you truly know Scandinavia, it is not socialist at all in most things. Denmark, for example, has one of the freest economies in the world. NYC? NYC is less free than even some Euro-socialist countries.
We need to give NYC tenants the RIGHT TO BUY their own homes in the projects. I would like to see a complete elimination of public subsidized housing in NYC, which are centers of crime, STDs and other very serious social ills. No fault eviction is the way to go. This is getting absolutely ridiculous that we have "tenants" in NYC not paying their rent and are basically living for free, getting subsidized everything else including their $600-weekly taxpayer funded vacation and they still cry about not being able to pay rent.
So are many tenants. Also, if a landlord is awful and does something unlawful such as breach of lease, harrassment, etc, we already have laws against that. But, being greedy may be immoral...yet we cannot legislate personal morals (and we shouldn't try).
Time to ABOLISH Rent Control in NYC and make evictions much easier
NYC is notoriously abusive against our constitutional rights as legit American We need to stop this nonsense of "Scandinavian socialism". If you truly know Scandinavia, it is not socialist at all in most things. Denmark, for example, has one of the freest economies in the world. NYC? NYC is less free than even some Euro-socialist countries.
We need to give NYC tenants the RIGHT TO BUY their own homes in the projects.
Some great ideas you have to increase homlessness during a pandemic and when there is a huge decrease of full time jobs available.
Anyway what would be the the cost of an apartment in the projects? Would it be a market rate price? Maybe $500,000 ?
Also those Scandinavian countries are mixed economies but a couple of prominent socialist features some have are free healthcare and higher education.
As soon as those eviction protections are removed there's about 40% of New Yorkers who can't pay rent. So you put them on the street. Then what? Let em starve? We cant be paying for those freeloader free meals at the soup kitchens
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Mass evictions are simply untenable, especially during an epidemic, and won’t happen. No politician who wants to stay in office will back increased evictions, here or anywhere else in the country.
SCOTUS has upheld government price controls (rents) for many years now, especially in emergency conditions—and the NY housing shortage has been considered an emergency since WWII. Maybe that needs rethinking, maybe not. But legally it still stands, though with this more conservative court, who knows for how long.
But ultimately, landlords are owners, and must take all the risks of ownership. That means the risk of loss as well as the chance for profit. That is a centerpiece of capitalism. No one forces anyone to buy an apartment building.
The issue will surface in January. How long can people live rent free on the landlords dime without some kind of forbearance or stimulus. The economy will sink or swim here depending what the Feds will do the next 6 months.
If Cuomo and DeBlasio think Trump will step in and help, even if he is leaving office. He will still be in power until January and Jerome Powell of the Fed isn't stepping down anytime soon and you can't fire him. Rougher times are coming to NYC next year when they have to let go atleast 20k workers. Teachers will be part of the layoffs soon too. NYC cannot afford so many social programs when tourism, business activity, and tax revenue takes a nose dive without the Fed pumping money continuously.
NYC cannot afford so many social programs when tourism, business activity, and tax revenue takes a nose dive without the Fed pumping money continuously.
certain programs are more essential than others. If people can't survive the right way they will do it the wrong way
canovas:
Texas is generally landlord friendly and it seems to be doing well. My lease says that if the rent is not paid 4 days after it's due, the sheriff will be called and the tenant will be tossed out then and there along with several fines. And people are flocking to Texas.
Some great ideas you have to increase homlessness during a pandemic and when there is a huge decrease of full time jobs available.
Anyway what would be the the cost of an apartment in the projects? Would it be a market rate price? Maybe $500,000 ?
Also those Scandinavian countries are mixed economies but a couple of prominent socialist features some have are free healthcare and higher education.
As soon as those eviction protections are removed there's about 40% of New Yorkers who can't pay rent. So you put them on the street. Then what? Let em starve? We cant be paying for those freeloader free meals at the soup kitchens
There is a difference between being homeless and roofless. Many of these people are not roofless and they most certainly have places to go...places such as with other family in other states/cities/towns.
To be completely honest, sorry but I do not "owe" the homeless anything and neither do property owners in NYC. That's not even the issue. The issue is whether we need to continue to contribute OUR OWN money to these people. The issue is whether the needs of OTHERS should be a lifetime mortgage for me if I choose NOT to. Why should anyone be forced to give up their property for others and on top of that, for FREE? Sorry, but I refuse to be a sacrificial animal for a scrounger or a deadbeat.
A huge decrease of full time jobs? Oh, so they can't pay their rent? Time to move back home with mom and dad until you find a job. Or, better yet, GO LOOK FOR A JOB elsewhere. There is a surplus population in NYC who refuse to budge even when jobs are available in other places.
Government can definitely help reduce the costs of those apartments in the projects. After all, they would still be spending way less than keeping them as public housing. Everybody would benefit.
If you want to host the "homeless" in your home, I applaud your efforts. You are more than welcome to pay for it and their needs.
Scandinavian countries:
Stop saying "free". Nothing in life is "free". They pay very high taxes for it. As for higher education, guess what? Professors actually want to get paid in the US for their work and the private system helps with the high salaries many professors enjoy and are definitely entitled to, particularly in STEM.
Nothing in life is free, so you should stop pretending that it is. The eviction moratorium is simply making landlords pay for the unemployed.
There is always some excuse in NYC for deadbeats: pandemic, unemployment, bla, bla, bla. Time to grow a spine and move on if you cannot afford it.
canovas:
Texas is generally landlord friendly and it seems to be doing well. My lease says that if the rent is not paid 4 days after it's due, the sheriff will be called and the tenant will be tossed out then and there along with several fines. And people are flocking to Texas.
Oh, totally! Some other states are like that too: Mississippi is basically the same - no fault eviction. Don't pay your rent? OUT THE DOOR with a Sheriff order. You would really have to be totally insane to be a small landlord in NYC or rent out a room in your apartment to strangers. Texas gets it right.
By the way, so did the United Kingdom thanks to the Thatcher reforms, only to be done away with by recent pseudo "conservative" governments. The trend today is basically this: are you a deadbeat, are you a thug, are you an illegal alien? FREE FREE FREE. Are you a taxpayer? Are you a legal citizen? Are you legit? RACIST, RACIST, RACIST, OPPRESSOR!
It really is insane, but we are going to put a stop to this madness eventually. Millions of Americans are angry with good reason at what is happening to our country. In my area, everyone recently bought guns in the last few months. We are ready to fight for our property.
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