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Old 09-11-2020, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Uptown
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It takes time for criminals to get back all the guns that were taken away from them over the past 25 years
Lol. Getting a gun is easy. They just didnt have anyone to shoot. The gang war in Brooklyn JUST started getting bad after Pop Smoke died.
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Old 09-11-2020, 11:18 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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nyc was not like this last summer
I'd argue that the world wasn't like what it was last summer.
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Old 09-11-2020, 11:19 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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It's only up compared to the SAFEST year in the last 50 years. Not in general.
Even so, ideally it would continue to keep going down. There are dense, large cities in the developed world that have far, far lower crime stats than NYC even though NYC even today has a low violent crime rate compared to other large US cities. Ideally, we'd want to be that kind of low if not even lower.
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Old 09-11-2020, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Uptown
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Even so, ideally it would continue to keep going down. There are dense, large cities in the developed world that have far, far lower crime stats than NYC even though NYC even today has a low violent crime rate compared to other large US cities. Ideally, we'd want to be that kind of low if not even lower.
Comparing a US city to a developed world isn't gonna work. Just look at the pandemic. It shows the clear gap between the US and other developed countries.
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Old 09-11-2020, 12:35 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Comparing a US city to a developed world isn't gonna work. Just look at the pandemic. It shows the clear gap between the US and other developed countries.
Eh, it's a spectrum. We had an arguably very bad reaction to this, but much of that is from the top down and the top we had has been arguably idiosyncratically bad and that won't necessarily stay the way.
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Old 09-13-2020, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Harlem, NY
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people are acting like NYC is seeing Chicago #'s with crime stats
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Old 09-13-2020, 01:00 PM
 
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people are acting like NYC is seeing Chicago #'s with crime stats
seems like something happens everyday. Someone throwing bricks through Wabc window, all the shootings. Its a mess
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Old 09-13-2020, 01:15 PM
 
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No. People are acting like they're seeing a massive reversal of almost 30 years of positive changes in crime statistics because of a massive change in law enforcement and criminal justice policies, and what those policies shifted back to what had worked so well.

We don't want to get to a Chicago level of criminality, and we know how to prevent it.

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people are acting like NYC is seeing Chicago #'s with crime stats
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Old 09-13-2020, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Uptown
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No. People are acting like they're seeing a massive reversal of almost 30 years of positive changes in crime statistics because of a massive change in law enforcement and criminal justice policies, and what those policies shifted back to what had worked so well.

We don't want to get to a Chicago level of criminality, and we know how to prevent it.
Nope. The crime is from the Economy being trash. Crime started up when the virus shut everything down.

And then Republican sheep refuse to acknowledge it and post every crime that happens in a city of 8 million.
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Old 09-13-2020, 02:30 PM
 
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No, it started when they implemented bail reform, and stopped locking up the skels when they were arrested. It got worse when Bla ordered prisoners in Rikers released because of Covid. And the BLM riots and the fact that the political class kowtowed to BLM while showing no support for the police sealed the deal.

If we got a Giuliani-esq tough on crime mayor in 2021 and an equally tough on crime governor in 2022 (remember that Pataki was in office when Giuliani mayor), the increase in the murder rate would be snuffed pretty quickly. But as long as the political layer kowtows to the criminal class crime will rise. Economic conditions are irrelevant to this.

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Nope. The crime is from the Economy being trash. Crime started up when the virus shut everything down.

And then Republican sheep refuse to acknowledge it and post every crime that happens in a city of 8 million.
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