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How would you know? Were you their doctors? Their doctors said they had no underlying conditions.
Great for you. I've spent time with this person. I know what they eat, what they don't eat. It's genetic. You sure have a lot of excuses for your lack of compassion for others.
And there are dozens of people that are 100+ years old that survived covid19, THOUSANDS, MILLIONS of people that had covid19 with no symptoms.
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I'm ok with large fines for non-compliance and breaking the social contract. The city needs revenue anyway.
This is the type of lack of critical thinking that has got us all in trouble.
"The city needs revenue anyway" GEE, I WONDER WHY? You shut the economy down, now people are broke.
You think broke people will have money to pay for fines? So now they don't have money to pay for bills nor do they have money to pay for fines. Why on EARTH would they care about social distancing or wearing a mask?
How would you know? Were you their doctors? Their doctors said they had no underlying conditions.
Great for you. I've spent time with this person. I know what they eat, what they don't eat. It's genetic. You sure have a lot of excuses for your lack of compassion for others.
I have compassion for people which is why I’m posting about healthcare and not about BS on this forum. You on the other hand, seem to have some strange anger and think that wearing a mask is a full solution to beating COVID. It’s not. How we each strengthen our immune systems is a very big deal in beating this illness. But I think you have a political mindset where those who don’t wear a mask are right leaning and those who do are left leaning. The media has made you emotional. Sorry, but that’s the truth.
Let’s not be prideful. Share this video with your friend with the high blood pressure. You may be able to save his or her life.
What were your feelings about partial shutdowns in zip codes where cases are spiking (sorry you've probably already stated your opinion about it but I don't remember)? I'd have to assume a lot of the spikes are related to non-compliance of mask-wearing and social distancing in the first place. But I'm not confronting everyone without a mask either. I personally think fines are a good idea.
I wasn't for it because at the time (I think just a few days ago; things change so fast with this thing), hospitalizations and the death rate was still low but yesterday hospitalizations increased from 50 to 850+ but the number of deaths is at 5 so... I don't know... shutting things down is such a blunt instrument & people need to work, make money to provide food & shelter for themselves and their families. Fines for non compliance (having huge gatherings indoors, not social distancing & not wearing masks) may be the better option than just shutting things down. I'm not for that for this reason.
It is simple. If these people in the hot areas will not do what is required to keep us all safe, isolate them by shutting the subway stops that go into those areas and setting up roadblocks and let them kill each other. If we can issue emergency travel bans to other countries and require 14 day quarantines from people coming and going to high risk states, we can shut off these neighborhoods and the selfish people who live there can reep their own consequences. Let them protest in their own backyard. When half their Synagogue is dead, maybe they will wise up. Go Biden!
It is simple. If these people in the hot areas will not do what is required to keep us all safe, isolate them by shutting the subway stops that go into those areas and setting up roadblocks and let them kill each other. If we can issue emergency travel bans to other countries and require 14 day quarantines from people coming and going to high risk states, we can shut off these neighborhoods and the selfish people who live there can reep their own consequences. Let them protest in their own backyard. When half their Synagogue is dead, maybe they will wise up. Go Biden!
Just like Hitler when he sealed off the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto. “Go Biden” the old man with dementia who is having the “national socialists” tell him what to do. Trump may or may not be the right choice, but those other people are pure evil. Kamala - who champions women’s rights when she had to eff a married man to get her position. Kamala- who smoked week while putting people in prison for having done the same. And they support the DeBlasios and Cuomos who have literally run nyc into the ground with their terrible hitlerian policies.
I wasn't for it because at the time (I think just a few days ago; things change so fast with this thing), hospitalizations and the death rate was still low but yesterday hospitalizations increased from 50 to 850+ but the number of deaths is at 5 so... I don't know... shutting things down is such a blunt instrument & people need to work, make money to provide food & shelter for themselves and their families. Fines for non compliance (having huge gatherings indoors, not social distancing & not wearing masks) may be the better option than just shutting things down. I'm not for that for this reason.
Far Rockaway Business Owners Fear Another Shutdown
Far Rockaway is one of the COVID-19 clusters, an area seeing an alarming increase of positive test rates
Business owners say closing small businesses will not help slow the spread because customers will just chose to shop outside of the "red zone"
Business owners say there has been a lot of confusion over the restrictions
I think the assumption is that one thing will lead to another...not following mask and social distancing guidelines will lead to increased positivity, leading to increased hospitalizations, leading to increased deaths, leading to more widespread economic pain. I guess I don't know when the positivity rate becomes too high to reduce simply by marginally better compliance. I think shutting down all businesses in an certain zone is probably futile anyway because people will just go elsewhere. However, in-person school, religious services, social gatherings, etc. is another matter. And generally, why not try to take steps to deliver infected people what they need to isolate, wherever they live in the city?
What I've heard (and believe) is that we should have shut down earlier in NYC because we would have had a much shorter lockdown, with a great reduction in both loss of life and economic consequences. I so don't want to go back to where we were in the early spring. I want us to do something to avoid these spikes spreading to the rest of the city.
I think the assumption is that one thing will lead to another...not following mask and social distancing guidelines will lead to increased positivity, leading to increased hospitalizations, leading to increased deaths, leading to more widespread economic pain. I guess I don't know when the positivity rate becomes too high to reduce simply by marginally better compliance. I think shutting down all businesses in an certain zone is probably futile anyway because people will just go elsewhere. However, in-person school, religious services, social gatherings, etc. is another matter. And generally, why not try to take steps to deliver infected people what they need to isolate, wherever they live in the city?
What I've heard (and believe) is that we should have shut down earlier in NYC because we would have had a much shorter lockdown, with a great reduction in both loss of life and economic consequences. I so don't want to go back to where we were in the early spring. I want us to do something to avoid these spikes spreading to the rest of the city.
I read in a Forest Hills FB group someone saying they saw 100 people entering a shul within the time when this area was supposed to be considered a red zone (sometime in the past few days). So obviously the main offenders are just ignoring the rules.
Perhaps if the city is really going to do this, they need greater enforcement. Otherwise, the businesses who lose money are the ones who follow the rules, and the offenders continue to hold their 100 person religious gatherings.
I read in a Forest Hills FB group someone saying they saw 100 people entering a shul within the time when this area was supposed to be considered a red zone (sometime in the past few days). So obviously the main offenders are just ignoring the rules.
Perhaps if the city is really going to do this, they need greater enforcement. Otherwise, the businesses who lose money are the ones who follow the rules, and the offenders continue to hold their 100 person religious gatherings.
Wow that sucks, and you're right, it's not fair to businesses either. I really don't know what else the city can do besides heavy enforcement but of course, there's a limit on how effective that will be.
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