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Old 12-04-2020, 04:07 AM
 
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Can you live well enough in NYC without higher education?
sure you can ... it all depends what you do for a living .

like i said earlier , when you get into commercial and industrial wholesaling you can make very very nice livings in sales with no degrees at all .

many companies will put you on straight commission once you develop a customer base and go off salary .

if a person has the personality to sell that is their degree ..

i can take someone who can sell , and give them all the product knowledge they need .

but i can't take a an engineer with a degree and turn them in to a successful salesman if they don't have the personality to sell

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Old 12-04-2020, 11:13 AM
 
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The cities with the highest percentage of college/post-graduate degrees (in recent years) are Seattle, San Francisco and DC as well as Austin. NYC ranks much lower than one would expect i.e. around 17th or thereabouts.
Comparing SF, Seattle, DC etc. to just Manhattan would probably be a better comparison.
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Old 12-04-2020, 11:21 AM
 
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sure you can ... it all depends what you do for a living .

like i said earlier , when you get into commercial and industrial wholesaling you can make very very nice livings in sales with no degrees at all .

many companies will put you on straight commission once you develop a customer base and go off salary .

if a person has the personality to sell that is their degree ..

i can take someone who can sell , and give them all the product knowledge they need .

but i can't take a an engineer with a degree and turn them in to a successful salesman if they don't have the personality to sell
It's much easier to excel in something when you have an aptitude for it

If education showed people how to effectively choose careers based off of aptitude then we would have a much more peaceful society

But our system does not promote that.
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Old 12-04-2020, 01:42 PM
 
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I've had 2 careers my whole life, US Army was one and the automotive service industry is the other and in the aut0motive sector I have learned everything from basic maintenance, to diagnostics and module programming, to cutting, bending, fitting, and mig welding exhaust system tubing and components, I'm also a certified safety inspector and can make money in that genre as well. There is a huge shortage of automotive technicians and as the technology increases in the vehicles so as the salaries because of the training tooling needed.

Leadership, sacrifice, and team work was learned through my military service but as far as electro-mechanical knowledge, transitional skills into other trades, learning about customer service, ordering parts, preparing estimates, technical research for TSB's, recalls, repair procedures, labor times, we all do this on computers plus now we also have digital inspections.

So even if cars go electric you will still need technicians because cars will still have brakes, tires, HVAC systems, coolant for the inverters and high voltage batteries, suspension systems, electric motor faults, wiring issues, modules to be programmed, apps to be downloaded.

For me its been a great career and the money has been between 50-62k. If you want to be rich take your chances as a tech start up or land you a job on Wall Street. I got into cars because of my love for drag racing which I still participate in but if you want to talk scholars imagine having the knowledge to send a top fuel car down the quarter mile at 325 miles per hour and you knew how to tune it successfully based the on cars computer data, track elevation, and air temperature, sounds like a STEM career to me.
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You pretty much summed it up.
Any man with a good set of hands can reach a higher plane because of a learned trade.

A carpenter can go from cabinet making to building homes.
A mechanic can go from fixing clocks to running presses and machinery for big business.
An electrician can go from replacing lamp chords to trouble shooting rocket launchers on military ships.

Your life your choice .................................................. ..
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Old 12-04-2020, 02:24 PM
 
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So why didn't they study nursing after finishing high school?
LOL. I try to imagine myself in that position. Yeahhh... NOPE. I'd be the worst Nurse ever! Just because you can, in theory do something, doesn't mean you should. Nursing is a calling, not just a damn paycheck.

Time, commitment, study is important. But also natural talents and interests are part of the equation. And I truly pity the people who think of people as intechangable widgets to meld into one position or another without regard to any of the mentioned factors.

As an aside: It is evident with some of the nurses I have had. Mean SOBs told me I was a terrible mother and made me cry because I didn't want to give my newborn formula instead of the breast. (She was a colicky baby, but EVERYONE knows if you give the kid formula in the beginning, they will not take to the breast.) Talk about an awful nurse. People like that SHOULD NOT go into Nursing. I called my husband and begged him to get me released from that asylum (St. Luke's Roosevelt) as quickly as possible. That's just an example.
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Old 12-04-2020, 02:26 PM
 
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You pretty much summed it up.
Any man with a good set of hands can reach a higher plane because of a learned trade.

A carpenter can go from cabinet making to building homes.
A mechanic can go from fixing clocks to running presses and machinery for big business.
An electrician can go from replacing lamp chords to trouble shooting rocket launchers on military ships.

Your life your choice .................................................. ..
A carpenter cannot go onto be a physical therapists. An electrician cannot go on to be a computer programmer. A mechanic cannot go onto be a biochemist.
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Old 12-04-2020, 02:28 PM
 
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It's much easier to excel in something when you have an aptitude for it

If education showed people how to effectively choose careers based off of aptitude then we would have a much more peaceful society

But our system does not promote that.
Yup aptitude is the word I was looking for. You do have to have an aptitude for things. I would never be a salesperson. For one thing, I am far to authentic and genuine. Secondly, I can't stand violating people's boundaries which is something one has to do in sales in order to succeed.
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Old 12-04-2020, 02:51 PM
 
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A carpenter cannot go onto be a physical therapists. An electrician cannot go on to be a computer programmer. A mechanic cannot go onto be a biochemist.
Irrelevant.....there is enough choices within the basics of most trades to keep evolving .

I started out an hvac tech ...but as the field saturated I kept taking my basic skill set and just learned on my own to morph in to something different .

In my case I went from hvac tech to climate controlled specialist of complex mall and theater climate control systems ...from there I went to work for a company that sold electrical supplies and air conditioning and refrigeration equipment.

I learned a lot about motor controls and variable frequency drives there so I moved on in to designing and selling custom control panels for water treatment plants and water pumping facilities.

With that I got involved selling factory automation products as well ...


Today I am retired and teach motor controls and variable frequency drives one day a week for nice money .

A tradesman can find many different areas to use and develop their skills in to other areas ...I don’t need to be a therapist , I only need to stay within my basic skill set to expand out.

I have been in sales for two and a half decades ..you are so wrong about sales requires you to be dishonest to do well ..that is just horse crap
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Old 12-04-2020, 03:28 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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Can you live well enough in NYC without higher education?
It depends on what you mean by 'well enough'; but there is a wide range of available rentals in any large city, including NYC where an (extremely small) studio apartment can be had for as little as $1800 near Central Park. Logically, however, less education translates into less income (and less career opportunity), as a whole.

My point being, however, NYC isn't as well educated (percentagewise) as one would initially think. Seattle, San Francisco and DC are far more educated, particularly when it comes to the 'highly-educated' i.e. post-graduate degrees, per your thread title.
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Old 12-04-2020, 03:35 PM
 
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My point being, however, NYC isn't as well educated (percentagewise) as one would initially think. Seattle, San Francisco and DC are far more educated, particularly when it comes to the 'highly-educated' i.e. post-graduate degrees, per your thread title.
Nowhere did I say that NYC was the only highly educated city, or the most highly educated city in the U.S.
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