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Old 12-30-2020, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Just get Ivermectin, people. It costs $25 online and treats covid better than the taking a vaccine. The big pharma want to block out ivermectin because it is too effective and will prevent their vaccine sales.
The vaccine prevents the disease, so no treatment is necessary.

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Some 75 yr old that got the covid vaccine still died of heart attack unrelated to the vaccine. If you aren't healthy the vaccine is not gonna save you. Most People who die from covid is due to the stress the body is taking not directly from covid. They weren't in a good shape and covid puts their body over the limit
No, it is the virus that kills. If not for COVID-19 they would still be alive.

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The vaccine doesn't take the load off your body, it simply shortens the duration if your immune system is still relatively intact. If you have hypertension and autoimmune disease you can still die of the flu even fully immunized with flu vaccine. Not because the flushot didn't work, you just have too much underlying conditions.

With the covid vaccine, if it worked as designed your innate immune system will be activated as soon as covid is found. But if someone doesn't have much white blood cells such as cancer patients, what good is the vaccine?

What the Pfizer vaccine tests lacks is conclusive data that it will work to protect people with underlying conditions.
The vaccine prevents the disease.

Anyone who is immune compromised might be unable to respond to the vaccine. That is true of all vaccines.

The Pfizer trial did include people with underlying conditions.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-re...sults-landmark

"BNT162b2 exhibited a favorable tolerability and safety profile. Based on a data cut-off date of October 9, 2020, 37,706 participants had a median of at least two months of safety data available after dose 2 and contributed to the main safety dataset. Among these participants, 49% were female; 83% were White; 9% were Black or African American; 28% were Hispanic/Latinx; 35% were obese (BMI ≥30.0 kg/m2); and 21% had at least one underlying comorbidity. The median age was 52 years, and 42% were older than 55 years."
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Old 12-31-2020, 06:25 AM
 
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One can slap a moderna sticker on any vaccine and make good money.
Since there is no guarantee they work anyway.
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Old 12-31-2020, 09:52 AM
 
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The vaccine doesn't take the load off your body, it simply shortens the duration if your immune system is still relatively intact. If you have hypertension and autoimmune disease you can still die of the flu even fully immunized with flu vaccine. Not because the flushot didn't work, you just have too much underlying conditions.

With the covid vaccine, if it worked as designed your innate immune system will be activated as soon as covid is found. But if someone doesn't have much white blood cells such as cancer patients, what good is the vaccine?

What the Pfizer vaccine tests lacks is conclusive data that it will work to protect people with underlying conditions.
I don't think you understand the point of the vaccine. The vaccine is supposed to prevent you from getting the virus in the first place. While yes, you may still get it, chances are you won't get as severely as you would if you don't get the vaccine.

The flu vaccine changes from year to year so it doesn't have a 95% success rate, that's why your chances of getting the flu if your vaccinated vary from year to year. Yet, if you are vaccinated and still get the flu your symptoms won't be as severe and the duration won't be as long as it would if you were not vaccinated.

No vaccine is 100% effective, so of course there will be those who may still get the virus and even pass away from it, but that's not a reason for the rest of the population not get it. Even if what you're saying is true (which it's not) that the vaccine won't help people with underlying conditions, why would people that have no underlying conditions not get the vaccine? And underlying conditions vary in severity, while I don't know what difference the vaccine would make for someone with stage 4 terminal cancer, I think it would make a world of difference to someone with an underlying condition of say, diabetes.
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Old 12-31-2020, 10:24 AM
 
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It was never a secret that they just care about themselves, but saying it too loud gets you labeled... you know...

They already have a compound, and not just one.
Have you ever been to the Catskills? Have you ever been ton Monsey and Monticello? Even Rockland County, Spring Valley. They send their kids to Summer Camps there, they own houses, they have their schools, synagogues, stores...

Yes, they have discriminatory compounds, schools, even hospitals. That alone would not be a problem, but for the fact that their religious communities are heavily subsidized by other taxpayers.

Instead, and despite "separation of church and state," they funnel much public money to their projects, even to their religious schools: https://forward.com/opinion/309145/i...-jewish-power/

The East Ramapo school system is governed by a supermajority of ultra-Orthodox Jews who live in the district but did not attend public schools and send their children to private yeshivas. While this fact alone might raise some eyebrows, what they’ve done with this control has raised alarm.

The board has drastically increased the funding going to yeshivas, but it has cut public school classes and extracurricular activities, attempting to sell public school assets at below market prices to private yeshivas ...

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Old 12-31-2020, 01:25 PM
 
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I don't think you understand the point of the vaccine. The vaccine is supposed to prevent you from getting the virus in the first place. While yes, you may still get it, chances are you won't get as severely as you would if you don't get the vaccine.

The flu vaccine changes from year to year so it doesn't have a 95% success rate, that's why your chances of getting the flu if your vaccinated vary from year to year. Yet, if you are vaccinated and still get the flu your symptoms won't be as severe and the duration won't be as long as it would if you were not vaccinated.

No vaccine is 100% effective, so of course there will be those who may still get the virus and even pass away from it, but that's not a reason for the rest of the population not get it. Even if what you're saying is true (which it's not) that the vaccine won't help people with underlying conditions, why would people that have no underlying conditions not get the vaccine? And underlying conditions vary in severity, while I don't know what difference the vaccine would make for someone with stage 4 terminal cancer, I think it would make a world of difference to someone with an underlying condition of say, diabetes.
According to doctors for the recently elected Louisiana congressman Luke Letlow (41 yrs old) who died two days ago from COVID-19, he had no underlying conditions. I bet his two young kids would be happy now if he had gotten the vaccine.
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Old 12-31-2020, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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One can slap a moderna sticker on any vaccine and make good money.
Since there is no guarantee they work anyway.
A large, prospective, randomized control trial shows that the vaccine does work. It's not 100%, but better than 90% is an excellent result.
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