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The smart kids always rise to the top. If they don't it's because they have a personality defect. If their classes are easy, they breeze through them and put their energy into other aspects of school life, clubs, sports, student government, socializing, etc. They don't have to be constantly catered to like hothouse orchids. In any environment they rise to the top. One of the several high schools I attended was Issaquah High in Issaquah Washington. In the early 60's Issaquah was a predominantly farming community with less than two thousand residents, that didn't even have home mail delivery. You picked up your mail addressed to General Delivery at the Post office. A good portion of the student body belonged to the Future Farmers of America, and were given time off of school during harvest season. In that environment the really smart kids had their own clique and welcomed me into it. They excelled in athletics, drama, student government. They weren't nerds or snowflakes by any means. They were obviously going to be big fish in a small pond. In their off time they sailed their parents' sailboats with their friends, practiced scuba and snorkeling in Lake Sammamish, and threw parties.
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Originally Posted by chairmanoftheboard
Gifted programs are to allow gifted students (usuall 140 and above IQ) to get out of a boring classroom during part of the day to do some more stimulating exercised. It to keep very smart people from getting bored, and tuning out of school. Eliminating gifted programs are a direct attack on the smartest kids, to bring them down. God knows we already have enough stupid people in positions of power. What we need is more very smart people in positions of power, and that can be hard thing to accomplish if they all get bored and drop out of high school. Libs love that sort of thing.
G&T is good because it attracts competent parents, which is the key to a proper education. The biggest problem in public education is garbage parents who raise disruptive and unsupportive kids who suck all the attention away from the other kids and promote bad behaviors
You will never have a good public school that has bad parents, never
Aside from my opinion that it’s ridiculous to test 4 and 5 year olds for giftedness, and aside from the fact that there aren’t enough “gifted” program spots now for all the kids who do qualify (97th percentile), and aside from the fact academic and intellectual giftedness can manifest itself in many ways besides the G&T tests (remember, Einstein was considered a dummy as a young kid), and aside from the reality that many parents spend big bucks to prep their pre-schoolers for the G&T test....there really is a throwback idea that will result from this —tracking.
Inevitably, instead of all the “smart” kids going off to a different school, they’ll all go to classes together in the same school with all the other kids. So schools will revert back to the model of tracking that used to predominate. Whether such a model will cause some parents to leave the system or make it easier for kids to find the appropriate level of instruction, or cause all schools to raise their academics are questions we’ll have to wait a few years to answer.
This is completely not true. Einstein was exceptional even at a young age and everyone around him knew it:
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Einstein always excelled at math and physics from a young age, reaching a mathematical level years ahead of his peers. The 12-year-old Einstein taught himself algebra and Euclidean geometry over a single summer. Einstein also independently discovered his own original proof of the Pythagorean theorem at age 12. A family tutor Max Talmud says that after he had given the 12-year-old Einstein a geometry textbook, after a short time "[Einstein] had worked through the whole book. He thereupon devoted himself to higher mathematics... Soon the flight of his mathematical genius was so high I could not follow." His passion for geometry and algebra led the 12-year-old to become convinced that nature could be understood as a "mathematical structure". Einstein started teaching himself calculus at 12, and as a 14-year-old he says he had "mastered integral and differential calculus".
He wrote his first scientific paper at age 21, published his special relativity theory by age 26, was considered a leading theoretical physicist by age 29, and became a superstar in his early 30s once theory of general relativity was published.
This is completely not true. Einstein was exceptional even at a young age and everyone around him knew it:
He wrote his first scientific paper at age 21, published his special relativity theory by age 26, was considered a leading theoretical physicist by age 29, and became a superstar in his early 30s once theory of general relativity was published.
Some people say Einstein's first wife Mileva Marić was instrumental in forming his theory of relativity. There may be some truth to it because after their divorce, Einstein had no further successful breakthroughs in physics the rest of his life.
Some people say Einstein's first wife Mileva Marić was instrumental in forming his theory of relativity. There may be some truth to it because after their divorce, Einstein had no further successful breakthroughs in physics the rest of his life.
There is no documented evidence that they collaborated on anything beyond their university coursework on heat conduction (nothing to do with his electrodynamics and gravity work). She didn't even specialize in the right field. Furthermore, we know that her knowledge of physics was "fairly mediocre" due to her exam grades and submitted work. She also gave up serious pursuit of physics two years before special relativity was published (13 years before general relativity). It is obvious they probably discussed physics as husband and wife, but even in their letters she never actually discussed physics whenever he mentioned it.
Also, although they were married, they didn't even live in the same cities starting in 1914, because back then, to get divorced they had to meet a 5 year separation requirement. And we know from letters from that period that they only discussed personal matters, not physics. The only time physics came up is when he'd tell her what he was working on and what he was about to publish.
For an opposing view read this Scientific American article titled "The Forgotten Life of Einstein's First Wife
She was a physicist, too—and there is evidence that she contributed significantly to his groundbreaking science"
There is no documented evidence that they collaborated on anything beyond their university coursework on heat conduction (nothing to do with his electrodynamics and gravity work). She didn't even specialize in the right field. Furthermore, we know that her knowledge of physics was "fairly mediocre" due to her exam grades and submitted work. She also gave up serious pursuit of physics two years before special relativity was published (13 years before general relativity). It is obvious they probably discussed physics as husband and wife, but even in their letters she never actually discussed physics whenever he mentioned it.
Also, although they were married, they didn't even live in the same cities starting in 1914, because back then, to get divorced they had to meet a 5 year separation requirement. And we know from letters from that period that they only discussed personal matters, not physics. The only time physics came up is when he'd tell her what he was working on and what he was about to publish.
The smart kids always rise to the top. If they don't it's because they have a personality defect. If their classes are easy, they breeze through them and put their energy into other aspects of school life, clubs, sports, student government, socializing, etc. They don't have to be constantly catered to like hothouse orchids. In any environment they rise to the top. One of the several high schools I attended was Issaquah High in Issaquah Washington. In the early 60's Issaquah was a predominantly farming community with less than two thousand residents, that didn't even have home mail delivery. You picked up your mail addressed to General Delivery at the Post office. A good portion of the student body belonged to the Future Farmers of America, and were given time off of school during harvest season. In that environment the really smart kids had their own clique and welcomed me into it. They excelled in athletics, drama, student government. They weren't nerds or snowflakes by any means. They were obviously going to be big fish in a small pond. In their off time they sailed their parents' sailboats with their friends, practiced scuba and snorkeling in Lake Sammamish, and threw parties.
Simple minds. Quite simply, the smart kids would rise even higher if given opportunities to do so. Like saying that my grandma smoked two packs of cigs and drank a fifth of whiskey every day and lived to be 100. Imagine you long she would have lived if she had not smoked and drank so much?
Simple minds. Quite simply, the smart kids would rise even higher if given opportunities to do so. Like saying that my grandma smoked two packs of cigs and drank a fifth of whiskey every day and lived to be 100. Imagine you long she would have lived if she had not smoked and drank so much?
Well that's an unsolvable problem isn't it? Also no evidence that successful people would have been any more or less successful had they attended special classes for gifted students. As others have stated, the real elements for success in life are hard work, drive, perseverance, personality. I doubt if a genius IQ score is anywhere in the mix. And success in life is not just defined by careers. I know retired garbagemen who were way happier and more successful in life than Ivy League educated retired corporate executives, and vice versa.
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