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Sorry I did not mean to insert that to your quote. Typing on the phone is trickier than a desktop. That said though you sat there and praised Singapore and Scandinavia‘s policies regarding criminals . Singapore is a Nany state with people tattle tailing on each other and severe (compared to other nations) corporal punishment. Scandinavian countries (of where I’m from) boot immigrants out for not assimilating.
You say you aren’t mentioning those things but you are by backing up those models.
I have never heard about people "tattle tailing" in Singapore (my friend from childhood had lived there for a long time, and as a journalist would have been all over it, if it had been in fact a thing), and wonder what they would be tattle tailing about, since there is next to no crime. If by "nanny state" you otherwise mean a welfare state, it is no more so than the US, except that it insists on keeping lower educated/low income people all employed rather than on handouts. I liked the freedom from having to constantly keep a possibility of crime in the back of my mind in both Singapore and Scandinavia, so obviously I am in favor of their type of measures, though these measures probably do not need to be carried to ultimate extremes in order to have a meaningful effect. But repeat criminal offenders should receive penalties sufficient to disincentivize criminal lifestyle, and non-citizens who commit crimes should be deported.
I do think that the most important cause of crime is the culture of crime. The second cause (not applicable to a country with massive welfare like the US, but yes applicable to a country like Guatemala) is trying to survive amid political disorder/extreme poverty... though even in that case, only people without any ability to think will saddle themselves with five kids, while not being capable to secure even their own survival. But back to the culture of crime - why would safe countries, that generally lack such a culture on any real scale, have any kind of moral obligation to let into the country groups of people who would import such a detrimental culture? And why would it be wrong to ask immigrants to assimilate to a reasonable degree - after all, if they feel no personal affinity towards the host country and identify 100% exclusively with their home country/culture, what are they doing in the host country in the first place?
Unemployment is high as is here. Where are those people going? And why?
That is an interesting report, however, I have been reading in multiple places that Mexican nationals have also been leaving California and returning to Mexico in large numbers.
All would be grand if rappers changed their lyrics into something better. About sexual healing like Barry White/Marvin Gaye (provided a verse about contraception is added to it :-), or science fiction and fantasy worlds like Jimi Hendrix. Just not glorifying violence and flashy stupidity.
because the versatile genre of hip hop only glorifies violence and stupidity. Yes.
because the versatile genre of hip hop only glorifies violence and stupidity. Yes.
I have been going through my 300-album collection of old blues during this shutdown, and there are of course some blues songs that deal with crime, but it is never described as cool or attractive - it is usually something violent done in the heat of a moment, with subsequent remorse and resignation of going on a chain gang for 30 years or to the 'lectric chair. Plus, that music is so beautiful and profound (I mean the blues, not hiphop of course :-)... right now, listening to haunting lonesome Delta slide guitar of Fred McDowell... Considering all the amazingly excellent Afro-American musical heritage, why people listen to **** with perverse social messages I'll never comprehend.
Some of it is a translation of gangster movie culture, Mafia movies, Scarface, John Gotti etc into music,
criminal rags to riches stories (it's easy to ignore the part where they die at the end)
and outlaw culture, Butch Cassidy, etc. This is why in Rap music Italian names are often used, that's emulation.
Trump pardoned Lil Wayne on a gun charge, go figure
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Some of it is a translation of gangster movie culture, Mafia movies, Scarface, John Gotti etc into music,
criminal rags to riches stories (it's easy to ignore the part where they die at the end)
and outlaw culture, Butch Cassidy, etc. This is why in Rap music Italian names are often used, that's emulation.
Trump pardoned Lil Wayne on a gun charge, go figure
We went over this already. Godfather I and II are psychologic studies of certain universal human situations (ie, only a very mentally limited person can possibly see their essence as being "mafia movies"), while most other gangster/mafia movies are trash in the same category of base idiocy as pornography. Hiphop culture idolizes violence and gangster anything, so I suppose it references violent/gangster movies as well, but hiphop did not develop from gangster/mafia movies. Hiphop culture and trash violence cinema share the feature of being money-making enterprises catering to brains that haven't developed past the reptile stage where their only contents are hunger, mating drive, and aggression.
How is any of that related to Trump's and Lil Wayne's deal?? Btw, I have seen Lil Wayne talk (actually, about the exact subject of this thread :-), and he is in fact quite bright - I cannot comprehend why somebody like him does what he does (either "artistically" or with guns).
No Hip Hop culture does not idolize everything violent. It iodizes particular violent things and enterprises
This gem from my collection of Afro-American musical heritage illustrates clearly what is wrong with hiphop culture, though it does not explain where and why a poor but honest and way cool performer culture went wrong. So, in the words of incomparable Big Bill Broonzy, from the depths of the Great Depression of the 1930s:
I haven't never been in jail
and I haven't never paid no fine,
baby,
I wants a job to make my livin
cause stealin ain't on my line.
(B. Broonzy: Unemployment Stomp, 1938)
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