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So just use natgas, which we have in huge supply. And NYC is to dense for local generation of anywhere near enough renewables to make a significant dent in our usage.
I don't know that this is really a problem. Can't renewable energy generated upstate be sent to NYC and put in battery storage? So it doesn't have to be generated right here, but wherever it comes from it's still not the kind of source you can guarantee every day.
I don't know that this is really a problem. Can't renewable energy generated upstate be sent to NYC and put in battery storage? So it doesn't have to be generated right here, but wherever it comes from it's still not the kind of source you can guarantee every day.
It's not a problem, and yes, you can locally store power generated elsewhere--that's generally a good idea because then you can have backup power if you structure your grid for it and battery backup is notably very fast in terms of supply backup power and you can charge those up when generation capacity outpaces demand which pretty much happens every day.
I'm not even sure where that line of thought about local generation even comes from. It's not like NYC gets all of its natural gas supply from within its own borders, so how did it make sense that NYC needs to generate all of its electricity from sources within its own borders? It's also not the first time I've heard this argument before and it's not like there was a new crinkle in the argument that makes it any more reasonable than before.
See my prior post. Hydro Quebec spins out a huge amount of hydropower from the James Bay project. Just build the transmission capacity down from up north to plug into it. No batteries necessary.
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I don't know that this is really a problem. Can't renewable energy generated upstate be sent to NYC and put in battery storage? So it doesn't have to be generated right here, but wherever it comes from it's still not the kind of source you can guarantee every day.
Get ready for days-long summer blackouts in NYC. The green idiots are taking over.
These people are not real "green" experts. They are just typical uninformed fake progressives. NYers are always touting they are for the environment but none of the decisions the cities has made every helped the environment here. Urban life is not pro-environment because it's a very carbon dense city. The way to reduce the carbon footprint by removing carbon emissions. How can you do that when Con-Ed is still burning coal, cars burning gas, and plenty of out of date houses here still burn petroleum.
See my prior post. Hydro Quebec spins out a huge amount of hydropower from the James Bay project. Just build the transmission capacity down from up north to plug into it. No batteries necessary.
Yea, and there's a good endpoint for it where Indian Point as the transmission lines are already there. NYS has supposedly committed to doing that, but it's too bad that they didn't figure that out a year or two earlier.
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These people are not real "green" experts. They are just typical uninformed fake progressives. NYers are always touting they are for the environment but none of the decisions the cities has made every helped the environment here. Urban life is not pro-environment because it's a very carbon dense city. The way to reduce the carbon footprint by removing carbon emissions. How can you do that when Con-Ed is still burning coal, cars burning gas, and plenty of out of date houses here still burn petroleum.
It's a mixed bag of people--some people are loonies, and some have actual reasonable objections and alternatives. It's not going to be an overnight transition to different energy solutions, but that's not the same thing as an argument to not make any moves towards such. Con-Ed's coal-burning in NYS has really been minimalized over the past decade though.
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I do not see batteries ever being the answer to time shifting of energy cost. Emergency energy, perhaps.
It can probably do both. There are large scale battery installations doing such right now in the world and they've been coming up pretty quickly. Part of that is because battery prices per kWh of capacity have continued to dramatically go down and the last decade saw them drop into the range where they're usable for such applications (battery prices per kWh have been dropping for decades, but haven't entered usable range for these applications until recently). It's also what's made EVs usable in recent years, though local storage has somewhat different factors with energy density by weight and volume not being nearly as high to be useful so cheaper battery chemistries can be used.
If you wanna become true environmentalists look at the Scandinavian countries. They export more oil than they use. They have solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, and no coal. We're still backwards when NYC is supposed to be the biggest city in the world. Where's the solar, hydro, and wind farms?
Realistically, it definitely is in the top 20. Different places have pretty arbitrary delineations of what city boundaries are, even within just the US which is how Jacksonville, Florida is technically a larger and more populous city than Boston but that's obviously bunk. The closest comparable measurement of size are the various metropolitan area definitions and on that count, NYC is definitely within the top 20 most populous. The cake goes to Tokyo though.
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