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Old 02-15-2021, 12:01 PM
 
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You might have a point except that without religion the death and suffering is multiples higher

attachment causes suffering
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Old 02-15-2021, 02:02 PM
 
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You might have a point except that without religion the death and suffering is multiples higher

No actually, religion has this concept of hell where suffering never ends... Agnostic here (ie, I believe it is most likely that there is no Supreme Creator, the universe most likely originated by some form of statistically possible splitting of nothingness into matter and antimatter, life emerged as the most statistically successful way of preserving (via replication) certain molecular configurations, human life itself is materially just a complex arrangement of molecules, this life is the only life we'll ever have (subsequently going into the same nothingness we came from), and near-death experiences are vivid dreams/hallucinations of chemically distressed or dying neural networks.... but ultimately I have no idea, I cannot exclude anything). I strongly HOPE death is the end of everything, and find any possibility of continued consciousness extremely scary. If there is God, I have only one prayer for him: to give me nothingness after death, which would be totally good enough for me, and far less hassle than any eternal life. I do think traditional Christian ideas of morality by way of Secular Humanism are very good for organizing THIS life, for relating to fellow humans in the way which allows the best quality of life for most people. Crime strikes me as bad because it causes unnecessary suffering in THIS, and probably only, life.
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Old 02-15-2021, 03:05 PM
 
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If I had to compare Delaware and Philly Amtrak stations and the surrounding areas to Penn Station I would say Penn historically has the most filth proportionally. There are certainly homeless around Wilmington DE for sure but they are typically in transit going somewhere and not there to hang out.

I suppose the bottom line is there's more Money in Manhattan and that's where most homeless in the Northeast will go to get it. Enhanced security protocol will do nothing if you don't change human behavior and infrastructure.

Homelessness is a problem that needs to be obviously solved but this patchwork dropping spare change in a cup just enables congregation, drug dependence and doesn't help them escape the cycle. Priviliged Tourists from Ohio are giving them change and that's what keeps them coming back.

What are they going to do in an increasingly digital world? I suppose hold up a QR code on their smartphone....
Many homeless have cellphones and its surprising. While I was in Chicago I saw them camping out in the Loop. the trees on the sidewalk usually have outlets where they would plug in decorative lights and they would unplug them and charge their phones. government services provide them with phones so they can keep appointments, job interviews, etc.

Ive been around allot of major cities and 1 thing I see in common with the homeless and beggars is that they are always concentrated in high traffic areas. Im still trying to figure out how South Station in Boston did not have this homeless problem but outside the Back Bay station had them, they lingered outside the Coply Mall. Ive also never saw them when i crossed over to East Boston on the blue line. Been to Wilmington DE a few times and its zombie town, when that Amtrak train pulls in its like an abandoned station. Then as soon and you get down stairs the station is filled with homeless.

Whatever Boston is doing to limit/contain the homeless we need that here in NYC. I do not want NYC to become the next California. California is bad, bad, bad, bad.
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Old 02-15-2021, 03:47 PM
 
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Im still trying to figure out how South Station in Boston did not have this homeless problem but outside the Back Bay station had them, they lingered outside the Coply Mall.

Are there two different Bostons, MA?? I live in Back Bay, have been using the Back Bay station regularly, I walk through Copley Place regularly as well (because I live nearby, have been living nearby for 21 years), and I have not seen those homeless you keep talking about :-).
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Old 02-15-2021, 03:54 PM
 
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They need to reengineer the subway so that they can control who enters. Get rid of all the open turnstiles, and use only iron maidens. All payments systems that can be used to enter the system would be tied to the owners ID. If you've been convicted of any infraction in the system, you're excluded from the system, and any payment system tied to you will not be allowed to let you enter. Facial recognition can be tied to this also.
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Old 02-16-2021, 06:00 AM
 
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Hmm. MTA is not privately owned.

Sorry, didn't see this remark earlier. The MBTA in Boston is also not privately owned, but it is a public agency that owns (with taxpayer money, so I guess the taxpayers are the owners) certain premises for defined purposes. I do know that trespassing on the MBTA property in Boston is treated the same as trespassing on privately owned property. You can't sleep on MBTA stations or trains for the same reason why you can't sleep in the City Hall (which is technically also not privately owned).
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Old 02-16-2021, 06:18 AM
 
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Sorry, didn't see this remark earlier. The MBTA in Boston is also not privately owned, but it is a public agency that owns (with taxpayer money, so I guess the taxpayers are the owners) certain premises for defined purposes. I do know that trespassing on the MBTA property in Boston is treated the same as trespassing on privately owned property. You can't sleep on MBTA stations or trains for the same reason why you can't sleep in the City Hall (which is technically also not privately owned).
NYPD does not arrest homeless for trespassing in the subway; I'm honestly wondering why not.
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Old 02-16-2021, 06:43 AM
 
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NYPD does not arrest homeless for trespassing in the subway; I'm honestly wondering why not.
Overcrowding in jails and they can't pay the fines.
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Old 02-16-2021, 07:05 AM
 
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How about Beacon Hill?
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Old 02-16-2021, 11:38 AM
 
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How about Beacon Hill?

Beacon Hill doesn't have public transportation (it can barely accommodate cars). There is the Charles/MGH T station above it, and the previously mentioned Park Street station below it - I haven't seen any homelessness at either one, the other poster claims there is some at one of them. What are you grinning about anyway??
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