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I look out at several residential towers across from my office windows in midtown west and some of those buildings remind me of projects. I laugh to myself and wonder how much people are paying in rent to live in those tiny box apartments in non-descript buildings. Say what you want about TT, but at least they are unique looking. If they were luxury rentals and in Manhattan, I wonder how the comments here might differ.
In a sense you are right because people on here tend to say how hideous tr NYCHA housing projects are but a lot non-government buildings built around the same time receive the opposite comments.
To be honest I think the housing projects in NYC look better than most other housing projects in other cities.
NYC, Boston, philly, and Toronto probably have some of the better looking housing projects in North America.
I was going to ignore this forum but I feel compelled to post here. I grew up in the neighborhood when the buildings were put up. The complex was built as a Mitchell-Lama rental which was supposed to target middle class residents. I do recall most of the neighborhood residents were surprised that the residents were mostly black and Hispanic. Perhaps it was how it was marketed. Scott Towers is just down the street and it is a Mitchell-Lama coop built around the same time. It was originally almost all Jewish but now is mixed. I don't think TT caused the neighborhood to change. There were socio-economic factors at the time that were to blame.
As for color vs. class, it really is all relative. I ride the Metro -North train and I see lots of Irish that act really low class who get off at Woodlawn. Swilling beer, feet on the seats, bad language. Just saying.
I condem that behavior as well. Low class cuts across all clases and racial lines. Idiots come in all colors.
The Tracy Towers from their inception was another form of scatter-side housing. And of course, the Liberals succeeded in screwing that part of the Bronx as well. Hilltop is right...if it were a market place driven housing arena, then it would not be the puss hole it is today.
The Tracy Towers from their inception was another form of scatter-side housing. And of course, the Liberals succeeded in screwing that part of the Bronx as well. Hilltop is right...if it were a market place driven housing arena, then it would not be the puss hole it is today.
That's right Sad Irish...yet people refuse to admit to it out of convenience.
The Tracy Towers from their inception was another form of scatter-side housing. And of course, the Liberals succeeded in screwing that part of the Bronx as well. Hilltop is right...if it were a market place driven housing arena, then it would not be the puss hole it is today.
How do you know it is so bad? Have you ever even been inside? I know the leader of the tenants association and she loves the buildings. And what do liberals have to do with any of this? TT was built as a Mitchell Lama building for middle class.
Good question. It was a while ago that I went into tower one, a friend of my brothers who went to Mt. St. Michaels with him, invited us to pop in. Since I was in the area, my brother and I went. It was 1999. We went into the foyer and the smell of urine was horrible. Trash, cigarette butts, etc. in many places.
His friend explained (a PR no less) that 'low class people' had taken over the building. From the smell, I had to concur.
I imagine it is likely worse today.
Scatterside housing was liberal housing construct to build projects for welfare families and locate them in solid, blue and white collar neighborhoods, in the hope that there would be some kind of healthy 'melding of cultures. It never worked.
How do you know it is so bad? Have you ever even been inside? I know the leader of the tenants association and she loves the buildings. And what do liberals have to do with any of this? TT was built as a Mitchell Lama building for middle class.
Pie...maybe the intention was for middle class folks to live in TT but the reality is the majority of the tenants in Tracey Towers are low income, low class people. I categorize it a slight step above Housing Projects.
Pretty much the same demographics with the same ghetto tendencies. As Sad Irish mentioned, the smell of urine, graffiti, cigarette butts and liquor bottles on the floor are all INDICATIVE of the CLASS of people that live there.
They then impose their will and lifestyle upon the community. Tracey Towers is a HUGE building. I believe it has a total of 800 units. Roughly 800 apartments filled with lower class people with ghetto tendencies. When you add all those things you then can see how just one complex can negatively affect the surrounding community.
That was 15-years-ago. Does anyone have any information from this decade? How about some crime stats? Anyone get shot in TT or thrown off the roof recently? How about we limit it to the last 5 years?
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Originally Posted by Sad Irish
Pietrang,
Good question. It was a while ago that I went into tower one, a friend of my brothers who went to Mt. St. Michaels with him, invited us to pop in. Since I was in the area, my brother and I went. It was 1999. We went into the foyer and the smell of urine was horrible. Trash, cigarette butts, etc. in many places.
His friend explained (a PR no less) that 'low class people' had taken over the building. From the smell, I had to concur.
I imagine it is likely worse today.
Scatterside housing was liberal housing construct to build projects for welfare families and locate them in solid, blue and white collar neighborhoods, in the hope that there would be some kind of healthy 'melding of cultures. It never worked.
That was 15-years-ago. Does anyone have any information from this decade? How about some crime stats? Anyone get shot in TT or thrown off the roof recently? How about we limit it to the last 5 years?
Next time I am up that way I will update you.
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