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What's the downside to having access to guns? If we CORRECTLY assume that guns are easily accessible to criminals, what's the drawback exactly? I have family in MO, OK, and NM. All have guns. What's the big deal?
What's the downside to having access to guns? If we CORRECTLY assume that guns are easily accessible to criminals, what's the drawback exactly? I have family in MO, OK, and NM. All have guns. What's the big deal?
Well, the concern IS that you have crazies out there (like, eg, those "incells" or whatever they are called, who are frustrated with being romantically rejected by fashion models because of the unlucky trifecta of being ugly, unsuccessful, and mean, so they want to blow up the whole world). You do NOT want to give a gun to such a person. In addition to the initial psych test, I think there should be well-designed mental wellness checks every 6 months for people carrying firearms. I think the society has reached the point where it needs greatly expanded mental health services in general.
But there is an overriding argument in favor of freedom to carry weapons of self-defense even if the risk of craziness is taken into account. Those crazies who really want to get guns somehow manage to get the whole arsenals anyway (as proven by so many mass shootings), even with current prohibitions, so legalizing (or rather upholding, since carrying has been constitutional ever since the Constitution was written) the right to carry will likely not enable crazies beyond the extent to which they are already enabled, but will on the contrary counterbalance them with a much greater number of normal people capable of defending self and the others.
Well, the concern IS that you have crazies out there (like, eg, those "incells" or whatever they are called, who are frustrated with being romantically rejected by fashion models because of the unlucky trifecta of being ugly, unsuccessful, and mean, so they want to blow up the whole world). You do NOT want to give a gun to such a person. In addition to the initial psych test, I think there should be well-designed mental wellness checks every 6 months for people carrying firearms. I think the society has reached the point where it needs greatly expanded mental health services in general.
But there is an overriding argument in favor of freedom to carry weapons of self-defense even if the risk of craziness is taken into account. Those crazies who really want to get guns somehow manage to get the whole arsenals anyway (as proven by so many mass shootings), even with current prohibitions, so legalizing (or rather upholding, since carrying has been constitutional ever since the Constitution was written) the right to carry will likely not enable crazies beyond the extent to which they are already enabled, but will on the contrary counterbalance them with a much greater number of normal people capable of defending self and the others.
I agree, and I'm actually one who believes in gun control. Unfortunately, due to rising mental illness, background checks are a necessity.
I would be very surprised if the Court doesn’t substantially uphold the NY law. There are only 2 dependable conservative justices on the Court, Sam Alito and Clarence Thomas. John Roberts joins the liberals on major decisions, and the three Trump appointments have been disappointing to conservatives so far.
Well, the concern IS that you have crazies out there (like, eg, those "incells" or whatever they are called, who are frustrated with being romantically rejected by fashion models because of the unlucky trifecta of being ugly, unsuccessful, and mean, so they want to blow up the whole world). You do NOT want to give a gun to such a person. In addition to the initial psych test, I think there should be well-designed mental wellness checks every 6 months for people carrying firearms. I think the society has reached the point where it needs greatly expanded mental health services in general.
But there is an overriding argument in favor of freedom to carry weapons of self-defense even if the risk of craziness is taken into account. Those crazies who really want to get guns somehow manage to get the whole arsenals anyway (as proven by so many mass shootings), even with current prohibitions, so legalizing (or rather upholding, since carrying has been constitutional ever since the Constitution was written) the right to carry will likely not enable crazies beyond the extent to which they are already enabled, but will on the contrary counterbalance them with a much greater number of normal people capable of defending self and the others.
So there's no concern that gangbangers and criminals can get guns? Someone who wants a gun WILL get one in the US. We don't live on an island in NYC. There's no wall keeping guns out.
I'm all for whatever checks and waiting periods the state wants. The problem is that's not what it's about. It's about maintaining the state monopoly on weapons. Then they claim they're the only.ones who can keep.you safe.
We have 40K cops in NYC. Do you think that's normal?
I would be very surprised if the Court doesn’t substantially uphold the NY law. There are only 2 dependable conservative justices on the Court, Sam Alito and Clarence Thomas. John Roberts joins the liberals on major decisions, and the three Trump appointments have been disappointing to conservatives so far.
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Originally Posted by mathjak107
My guess is the old localities are free to adjust the permit system will still prevail ...
As long we we can own and protect our homes the courts have said the ability to carry is not necessarily a required option needed
There's no way anything will change.
It's not incumbent on the state to pass and enact constitutional laws. It's just a game and that's why th SC is reluctant to strike these laws down even if they technically unconstitutional.
What's the downside to having access to guns? If we CORRECTLY assume that guns are easily accessible to criminals, what's the drawback exactly? I have family in MO, OK, and NM. All have guns. What's the big deal?
Today the big downside is that a typical civilian may over react to a situation..an ass beating is not always considered a life threatening situation...one may draw a weapon in a situation that deadly force is not warranted and open a whole lot of legal trouble and or a civil suite that bankrupts you
Today the big downside is that a typical civilian may over react to a situation..an ass beating is not always considered a life threatening situation...one may draw a weapon in a situation that deadly force is not warranted and open a whole lot of legal trouble and or a civil suite that bankrupts you
Thats my point
Lol, the amount of threads about the train so dangerous, please, the train was always dangerous. And I dont care, its still safer than the 1980s and 1990s. Even safer than the mid-2010s.
Imagine all those same people carrying guns now
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Won't even say let me go take a self-defense class, but let me go jump off the deep end and buy a gun.
Mnid you these are mostly posters who can count the times on one hand in their life they've been in a physical fight, but hype for the new law. Make it make sense
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