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Old 09-11-2021, 01:07 PM
 
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Why are you asking these questions? What difference does it make what ComeCloser thinks? We already have
The patients bill of rights, the Nuremberg code and the constitution. That’s all we need to resist forced vaccinations.
Because many people who are against vaccines are also against any law regarding COVID-19
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Old 09-11-2021, 01:11 PM
 
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stormgal the reason smallpox is not killing millions of people is the vaccine for it.

At the same time some people get serious and life threatening reactions to the vaccine

So these two outcomes have to be compared
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Old 09-11-2021, 01:12 PM
 
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regardless of upholding the preexisting Patients Bill of Rights do you think federal or state lawmakers should have the right to make any law regarding specifically COVID-19 ?




A law saying someone can't enter a federal building school or bus without a mask
(with possible exemptions for people with proven medical conditions)

Or a law saying a healthcare worker cant work unless they get a regular test regardless of if they are vaccinated or not
I dont think we need a law for healthcare workers to be tested. Healthcare workers are reasonably compliant. Unvaccinated have been being tested weekly all along.

Im sure if our employers said we want all employees to be tested regardless of vaccination status - you might hear some grumbles here and there - but they would do it.

Same with schools.

Courts have to be open for the people.

We cant get on the bus without a mask. The driver literally wont move the bus until its on and properly affixed.

The problem is when you want to invade someones body that things start to get weird.
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Old 09-11-2021, 01:19 PM
 
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I dont think we need a law for healthcare workers to be tested. Healthcare workers are reasonably compliant. Unvaccinated have been being tested weekly all along.
Should a healthcare facility have the legal right to fire an unvaccinated employee for refusing to be tested?

yes or no please
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Old 09-11-2021, 01:21 PM
 
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Should a healthcare facility have the legal right to fire an unvaccinated employee for refusing to be tested?

yes or no please
Im sorry, but that would depend on their reason for not wanting to be tested.
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Old 09-11-2021, 01:22 PM
 
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stormgal the reason smallpox is not killing millions of people is the vaccine for it.

At the same time some people get serious and life threatening reactions to the vaccine

So these two outcomes have to be compared
I never had a vaccine for smallpox but that’s a vaccine I would’ve wanted along with my MMR. Who knows what nut job government will release smallpox into the wild as a bio weapon. With that being said, it has been proven that the covid 19 vaccines does not prevent spread nor infection. Yet, I still think that people who do not have normal levels of blood glucose, normal A1Cs, are of normal weight and blood pressure, etc - should take the vaccine but at their own will and risk. I think the risks should be explained to them

The rest of the people I wouldn’t recommend the covid vaccine but again that should be left up to the individual to decide for him or herself. I think it’s more of a poison for healthy people given the fact that covid is a cake walk for the truly healthy
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Old 09-11-2021, 01:27 PM
 
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Should a healthcare facility have the legal right to fire an unvaccinated employee for refusing to be tested?

yes or no please

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Im sorry, but that would depend on their reason for not wanting to be tested.
Should a healthcare facility have the legal right to fire an unvaccinated employee for refusing to be regularly tested
if the person said their reason for not wanting to be tested is that they feel like it's an intrusion into their body and when they were hired they were not informed they would have to be tested
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Old 09-11-2021, 01:41 PM
 
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I never had a vaccine for smallpox but that’s a vaccine I would’ve wanted along with my MMR. Who knows what nut job government will release smallpox into the wild as a bio weapon. With that being said, it has been proven that the covid 19 vaccines does not prevent spread nor infection. Yet, I still think that people who do not have normal levels of blood glucose, normal A1Cs, are of normal weight and blood pressure, etc - should take the vaccine but at their own will and risk. I think the risks should be explained to them

The rest of the people I wouldn’t recommend the covid vaccine but again that should be left up to the individual to decide for him or herself. I think it’s more of a poison for healthy people given the fact that covid is a cake walk for the truly healthy
flu vaccine

On average, it’s been 40% effective, meaning it’s prevented illness 40% of the time. Since health officials started tracking it in 2003, effectiveness has varied from year to year, ranging from a low of 10% in 2004-05 to a high of 60% in 2010-11.

“We almost never know ahead of time whether we’ve guessed correctly or not. We can’t say, ‘This year it’s only going to be 10% effective, so don’t get it,’” says Jackson. “But the vaccine is relatively low-cost, with rare side effects, and reducing the risk of hospitalization and death by 50% is better than nothing.”

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...he-flu-vaccine

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https://www.cbs42.com/news/health/co...han-pfizer-jj/


CDC data indicates Moderna vaccine more effective against delta variant of COVID-19 than Pfizer, J&J

In a weekly report on morbidity and mortality in the US, data shows that the Moderna vaccine effectiveness has a rate of 95% when it comes to hospitalizations due to the delta variant, while Pfizer sits at 80% and Johnson & Johnson at 60%.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ant/ar-AAOj9T7

he HealthPartners Institute announced the results of two vaccine efficacy studies Friday afternoon, calling them “highly protective” against COVID-19 including the Delta variant.

CBS

New HealthPartners Study Finds Vaccines ‘Highly Effective’, Even Again Delta Variant

“People have been speculating about how effective COVID-19 vaccines are against the Delta variant and we now have evidence that suggests these vaccines are still very protective,” said Malini DeSilva, MD, an investigator with HPI and co-author on the study.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ata/ar-AALURZQ

UK study: Pfizer 88% effective, AstraZeneca 67%

The Israel Ministry of Health said on Monday, July 6, that Pfizer's vaccine worked slightly less well against the Delta variant than previous estimates. The number of people who got infected during the study period was small, and the figure may have included asymptomatic infections.

Pfizer
64% effective after two doses.
Scotland study: Pfizer 79% effective after two doses, 60% for AstraZeneca.
A Scotland-based study published as a letter to the Lancet medical journal on June 14 found that Pfizer's vaccine offered "very good" protection against the Delta variant.

Pfizer
79% effective after two doses, at least 14 days after the second dose.
AstraZeneca
60% effective after two doses, at least 14 days after the second dose.


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Old 09-11-2021, 01:42 PM
 
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I dont even care. Im not taking it.
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Old 09-11-2021, 01:47 PM
 
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I dont even care. Im not taking it.
this question has nothing to do with whether or not you or anybody has taken the vaccine

Should a healthcare facility have the legal right to fire an employee for refusing to be regularly tested

if the person said their reason for not wanting to be tested is that they feel like it's an intrusion into their body and when they were hired they were not informed they would have to be tested

I could ask the same question at a point when the vaccines were not even available
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